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Are the "T213-1" (1910 COUPON) cards really T206's ? ....I think so....What say you ?
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Where do you come-off saying I am "RELUCTANT" to respond to this journal you posted. I already reviewed it in the other thread you posted it in.....and, THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT DISPELS THAT THE 1910 COUPON CARDS WERE PRINTED AND ISSUED IN 1910 ! That list is IRRELEVANT ! ! Where is a DATE on it ? Where are the other American Tobacco Co. (ATC) brands on that list ? For example....POLAR BEAR....RED CROSS (T215)...."PIRATE"...."TY COBB" The fact that POLAR BEAR is missing on this journal list certainly indicates that this journal list would have been dated PRIOR TO THE SUMMER of 1910. Anyhow, this list that you are "raving about" tells us NOTHING about when the "COUPON" cards were printed (or issued). ! Absolutely, nothing ! ! __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________ Furthermore, . . . Hey guys, Those QUOTES surrounding these three Brand names are very significant. These QUOTES indicate that these are new ATC brands which had not yet received an officially Registered TRADEMARK. Most people do not understand the importance of this, for it does INDEED set a timeline when these cards were printed and issued. Regarding the COUPON brand, it would be Circa Spring - Summer 1910. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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The journal dates are from 1909-1912 with the latest packing date of 8/12 on the Nebo brand. It is my understanding that the dates on the T215's are approximate too and maybe the journal helps narrow the time frame down for them. As for the Polar Bears first off that's a pouch scrap tobacco I don't know all of the Tobacco brands on the index pages are any of the other brands pouch scrap Tobacco that had cards inserted in them? also several years ago when I was researching the print flaws I said the Polar Bears didn't seem to fit in with the rest of the t206 brands. You point out the similarity's in the Polar Bears to the Coupon perhaps the reason is they weren't printed and distributed with the other t206 brands. Here's what I posted in 2015 Quote:
Last edited by Pat R; 05-25-2021 at 01:41 PM. |
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Are the "T213-1" (1910 COUPON) cards really T206's ? ....I think so....What say you ?
Pat
The journal list you are referring to (labelled Index) has 30 brands on it. It has NO DATE identifying it....and it does NOT include the POLAR BEAR brand. The POLAR BEAR brand was a MAJOR brand, the likes of which was printed on the backs of 250 subjects in the T206 set. The timeline of the first series of POLAR BEAR cards has been established as beginning circa Spring -Summer 1910. Therefore, that journal list of 30 brands that you are touting were generated prior to the Spring of 1910. Then of course it would not have any information regarding COUPON (or RED CROSS, or PIRATE, or TY COBB SMOKING TOBACCO). TED Z T206 Reference . |
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My god Ted who's the one making a "fool" of himself take your blinders off and read the whole journal not just the index page or read my posts that have some of them in it. Here I've circled the dates on a couple of them but take the time and read the whole journal it's been available on here for years. ATC American Beauty Ledger page - Copy.jpg ATC Cycle Ledger page - Copy.jpg |
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Are the "T213-1" (1910 COUPON) cards really T206's ? ....I think so....What say you ?
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I don't see any connections between those small "piecewise" journals and the large journal (listed with the 30 brands) labelled "INDEX", which you touted as being "evidence" for your cause. Show me how they are connected ? So, the dates on those are irrelevant to anything we are discussing with respect to when the 1910 "COUPON" cards were printed and issued. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Just an observation from a fan of the Ledger pages. It seems to be a true index, as the page number on the American Beauty card page “95” corresponds to the American Beauty entry on the Index “95-119” but I also see a date of 1912 at the top of the second page.
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The page with 1912 on it is the second index page which would be when they created that index page. Last edited by Pat R; 05-25-2021 at 01:17 PM. |
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Are the "T213-1" (1910 COUPON) cards really T206's ? ....I think so....What say you ?
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Perhaps you can get an answer from Pat.....because I have asked him to explain why the POLAR BEAR brand is missing from that list of 30 brands (supposedly reflecting "entry's from 1909 and ends in 1912"). But, Pat avoids answering that simple question. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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