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Old 07-09-2018, 04:57 PM
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I have 3 different backs for several players in this issue. Has anyone researched this and has a checklist for all possible variations?

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http://www.oldcardboard.com/r/r302/r...?cardsetID=857
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:13 PM
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That doesn't help me at all. I am very familiar with Old cardboard as I have overly contributed to that site.

I need more in depth info on different back variations from the 1943 issue which old cardboard is obviously clueless about.

At least until I educate them about it.
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Old 07-09-2018, 10:14 PM
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ted z. has posted about this set. i bet he can help you.
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:16 AM
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Dan,
I cannot give you any information regarding the set, but for a player, Ted Williams, there are 3 known back variations (possibly 4) of the 1943 M.P. & Co Ted Williams with ink color variations and spelling errors. All backs are in the same format, just errors or ink color changes that create the variations.

1-M.P. & Co. Hand Cut--"THEODORE", Blue Ink
1-M.P. & Co. Hand Cut--"THEODORE", Black Ink
1-M.P. & Co. Hand Cut--"THEORDORE", Blue Ink
1-M.P. & Co. Hand Cut--"THEORDORE", Black Ink ? Exists


There also is a VERY COMMON error that is noted with Ted Williams in that there is a 1949 M.P. & Co "no number variation", (meaning no #101 printed on the back of the card) that all the TPGs continue to call a 1943 M.P. & Co. This is NOT a 1943 printing, but a 1949 printing. The 1943 M.P & Co Ted has the company tag line at the bottom and the 1949 does not (at least for Ted Williams), but the TPG companies refuse to accept that there is a 1949 M.P. & Co "no number variation" as it is not listed in any guide. If you have the cards side by side, this variation can clearly be seen as a 1949 card.

Of note, there are also 2 spelling variations of the 1949 M.P. & Co for Ted Williams.

101-2 M.P.& CO. HAND CUT--"THEODORE FRANCES", #101
101-2 M.P.& CO. HAND CUT--"THEORORE FRANCES", #101
(101)-2 M.P.& CO. HAND CUT--"THEODORE FRANCIS", No number

Sorry, can't help out on any other players though.

Dave

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Old 07-10-2018, 06:46 PM
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Dan,
I cannot give you any information regarding the set, but for a player, Ted Williams, there are 3 known back variations (possibly 4) of the 1943 M.P. & Co Ted Williams with ink color variations and spelling errors. All backs are in the same format, just errors or ink color changes that create the variations.

1-M.P. & Co. Hand Cut--"THEODORE", Blue Ink
1-M.P. & Co. Hand Cut--"THEODORE", Black Ink
1-M.P. & Co. Hand Cut--"THEORDORE", Blue Ink
1-M.P. & Co. Hand Cut--"THEORDORE", Black Ink ? Exists


There also is a VERY COMMON error that is noted with Ted Williams in that there is a 1949 M.P. & Co "no number variation", (meaning no #101 printed on the back of the card) that all the TPGs continue to call a 1943 M.P. & Co. This is NOT a 1943 printing, but a 1949 printing. The 1943 M.P & Co Ted has the company tag line at the bottom and the 1949 does not (at least for Ted Williams), but the TPG companies refuse to accept that there is a 1949 M.P. & Co "no number variation" as it is not listed in any guide. If you have the cards side by side, this variation can clearly be seen as a 1949 card.

Of note, there are also 2 spelling variations of the 1949 M.P. & Co for Ted Williams.

101-2 M.P.& CO. HAND CUT--"THEODORE FRANCES", #101
101-2 M.P.& CO. HAND CUT--"THEORORE FRANCES", #101
(101)-2 M.P.& CO. HAND CUT--"THEODORE FRANCIS", No number

Sorry, can't help out on any other players though.

Dave

That's KILLER info there Dave! Tthanks exactly what I was hoping for!

I am setting up at the Philly show with Ole Ted so now we have something to talk about

Thank you kindly!

Dan Mckee
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Dan,
I cannot give you any information regarding the set, but for a player, Ted Williams, there are 3 known back variations (possibly 4) of the 1943 M.P. & Co Ted Williams with ink color variations and spelling errors. All backs are in the same format, just errors or ink color changes that create the variations.

1-M.P. & Co. Hand Cut--"THEODORE", Blue Ink
1-M.P. & Co. Hand Cut--"THEODORE", Black Ink
1-M.P. & Co. Hand Cut--"THEORDORE", Blue Ink
1-M.P. & Co. Hand Cut--"THEORDORE", Black Ink ? Exists


There also is a VERY COMMON error that is noted with Ted Williams in that there is a 1949 M.P. & Co "no number variation", (meaning no #101 printed on the back of the card) that all the TPGs continue to call a 1943 M.P. & Co. This is NOT a 1943 printing, but a 1949 printing. The 1943 M.P & Co Ted has the company tag line at the bottom and the 1949 does not (at least for Ted Williams), but the TPG companies refuse to accept that there is a 1949 M.P. & Co "no number variation" as it is not listed in any guide. If you have the cards side by side, this variation can clearly be seen as a 1949 card.

Of note, there are also 2 spelling variations of the 1949 M.P. & Co for Ted Williams.

101-2 M.P.& CO. HAND CUT--"THEODORE FRANCES", #101
101-2 M.P.& CO. HAND CUT--"THEORORE FRANCES", #101
(101)-2 M.P.& CO. HAND CUT--"THEODORE FRANCIS", No number

Sorry, can't help out on any other players though.

Dave
Oh and on a friendly note.... I could care less what 3rd party grading recognizes or doesn't as I have been collecting 48 years and all of my sets are raw... I have forgotten more than those idiots will ever know!
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A judgement call on this one it looks like black ink in person
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Ron,
Awesome!. I do believe that variation exists, I just have not seen one to prove it. The subtleties of the color difference often can only be determined in-hand; I have failed at it several times trying to buy variations online.

Dave

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Dave have there been known cards of "THEORDORE", Black Ink to exist
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