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Old 06-27-2018, 09:18 AM
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Or maybe some of us, me included, don't want to opine as much as we used to.

I know from personal communication with three of my collector friends, they no longer want to opine.....myself included.
They might not want to opine because they don't know or think they know and don't . Autographs are a minefield. Good luck to anyone collecting them on anything but official docs or without ironclad provenance. That all said, if you don't help your hobby it won't get better.
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:27 AM
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Or maybe some of us, me included, don't want to opine as much as we used to.

I know from personal communication with three of my collector friends, they no longer want to opine.....myself included.
That is too bad because I highly respect your opinion but I understand. I am the same way pointing out altered cards. Especially when it is obviously bad and the person who asks then wants to argue about it.
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Old 06-27-2018, 10:39 AM
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They might not want to opine because they don't know or think they know and don't . Autographs are a minefield. Good luck to anyone collecting them on anything but official docs or without ironclad provenance. That all said, if you don't help your hobby it won't get better.
Leon, I can appreciate your comment, but it's not about that at all in discussing it with my collector friends.
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Old 06-27-2018, 10:40 AM
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That is too bad because I highly respect your opinion but I understand. I am the same way pointing out altered cards. Especially when it is obviously bad and the person who asks then wants to argue about it.
Thank you, Ben.

And thank you for your empathy.
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Leon, I can appreciate your comment, but it's not about that at all in discussing it with my collector friends.
Yes, I understand we are too open of a forum to share some things. I am positive there are some fraudsters who read the board.
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Old 06-27-2018, 03:33 PM
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Yes, I understand we are too open of a forum to share some things. I am positive there are some fraudsters who read the board.
Has zero to do with that.
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Old 06-27-2018, 04:24 PM
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So some truth appears thanks Molder. If we canít talk about here or get to the bottom of it together. Then I donít think anyone will have a clear idea of whatís going on.( The alterd Steiner autos is news to me). Iím not a big auto collector but I do enjoy adding some graphs. That being said what Leon said echos true if we wonít help each other then no one else will.
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Based on what's been discussed before, here is how I approach Mays' autos with the Say Hey hologram: they have been tainted enough for me that I will not touch them. The final straw was comparing two Mays' sigs: one was an in-person that sold via Verkman auctions, the other any of the ones with the Say Hey holo. The in-person one was as shaky as you'd expect for a man of his age and (seemingly) health. The rest? Beautiful and perfect. How is that so?

No thanks, I'll say away. Just like I stay away from any not-early Global, Ace, etc. Maybe I'll actually miss a legit auto, but it's not worth my time and energy.

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PS: I assume you've done searches here on the forum? If so, how much more can be said?

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Old 06-27-2018, 06:53 PM
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Here are my main points with Say Hey hologram. Early ones are real but most are fake. I havenít seen one authentic one that has an inscription. All the ones that have an inscription on the sweet spot are fake. Also look at his autograph and there are some glaring differences. Mainly the fake ones have peaks or little mountains for the Ďillieí. The real one look nothing like that. Just my opinion...
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Here are my main points with Say Hey hologram. Early ones are real but most are fake. I haven’t seen one authentic one that has an inscription. All the ones that have an inscription on the sweet spot are fake.
I do not know if this is true, but my suspicions are consistent with Matt's.

In my view, the reason for the lack of response on the Sey Hey holograms is that people just don't "know." Lot's of smoke and suspicion, but lacking in enough evidence to make firm assertions.

Something does not seem right with these signatures and there is anecdotal evidence credible authentication firms are failing items with Sey Hey holograms. Are the holograms being counterfeited? Or were real ones stolen? Or is someone else in the organization signing for Mays?

All valid questions in my opinion.

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