Which one is nicer?

[Rhotchkiss]

Don’t cheat- answer the query before looking these up. They are both in the current REA auction. One is PSA and one is SGC. They are both graded 8. The PSA one currently sits at $85k before buyers premium and the SGC at $50k.

Guess which one is PSA (and over $35k more desirable, as of now) and which is SGC..

[BobC]

Not sure which is which, but like the one on the left better. So guessing the one on the right is PSA.

[icurnmedic]

The slight diamond cut(?)on the right one screams at me for no obvious reason. I too like the left one better.

[sb1]

I would take the one on the right, regardless of holder.

[Johnny630]

They’re both beautiful. It’s a shame the investor still highly favors PSA with big cards.

[GasHouseGang]

The one on the right has a diamond cut, so I would say the one on the left looks nicer to me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The one on the right looks more natural to me, with the black line being slightly slanted relative to the border which I believe is typical.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Based on the way you framed the question, I'll guess the SGC is on the right.

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Don’t cheat- answer the query before looking these up. They are both in the current REA auction. One is PSA and one is SGC. They are both graded 8. The PSA one currently sits at $85k before buyers premium and the SGC at $50k.

Guess which one is PSA (and over $35k more desirable, as of now) and which is SGC..

[JollyElm]

The large amount of white space on top of the one on the right immediately jumps out at me, so the card on the left (with its nicer all around symmetry) would be my preference, if I had to choose.

[vthobby]

The one on right is SGC.

If I'm wrong well...... no way. I have not looked at REA or other responses. I'll wait until you tell me if I'm right.

Peace, Mike

PS Whiter, brighter, SGC.

PS2 I cheated and just looked at REA. Foiled! ugh! I think I was wrong! oops! lol Wait......was I right? After relooking at REA, I think I was right? Tell me please! I did take 2 secs and went with my gut.

[3-2-count]

It’s a toss up for me, but if I had to choose one based on the eye test after first glance, I’d go with the one on the left.

[mrreality68]

The one on the right has cleaner and brighter looking borders to me.

I would say the right is PSA and left is SGC.

They both look real nice and just amazed at the difference in price

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

The one on the right has cleaner and brighter looking borders to me.

I would say the right is PSA and left is SGC.

They both look real nice and just amazed at the difference in price

I'm surprised the price differential isn't even greater. PSA has been blowing away SGC in post-war for quite a long time.

[perezfan]

Toss up for me.

Ridiculous that the PSA example is so over-valued, comparatively.

[Rhotchkiss]

I think these should be bigger than the original ones I posted from my phone. In the same order as before

[drcy]

I've never understood how (longterm) investing in the overpriced card is considered a good investment.

[vthobby]

I think I was wrong! Damn!


Mike

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I think these should be bigger than the original ones I posted from my phone. In the same order as before

Just noticed the second one (on the right) also has a print imperfection on the top edge of his cap, just to the right of the "B". Now I'm even more confident the one on the right is PSA.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The one on the right looks more natural to me, with the black line being slightly slanted relative to the border which I believe is typical.

Why do you feel that is so? I’m not disagreeing just want to get your opinion on why they sell for much more then PSA in post war.

Many not all SGC cards in Same Grade, IMO look nicer than the PSA example.

[MattyC]

Left all the way for me. I wouldn’t ever bid on the right, tilt kills the eye appeal for me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Why do you feel that is so? I’m not disagreeing just want to get your opinion on why they sell for much more then PSA in post war.

Many not all SGC cards in Same Grade, IMO look nicer than the PSA example.

Because it's a PSA world now.

[stutor]

I prefer the one on the left. I’m guessing that is the cheaper, SGC card. It’s all about that PSA registry.

[RL]

I like the one on the right.

[profholt82]

Both have great surfaces with nice colors, but the tilt centering on the right card would bug me too much if I were going to drop that kind of coin. Left card for me all the way.

[Ricky]

I prefer the left even though the borders o the right are brighter.

[Republicaninmass]

The night, and tomorrow afternoon are young!

Let's see how the end up

Left for me, though I'm happy with my psa 2!

[Rhotchkiss]

If/when we get to post 50, I will reveal which is PSA and which is SGC (if you haven’t already looked it up).

The point of the thread was to show how much a flip is worth. I think we can all agree they are both very nice, and the opinions are fairly evenly split so far as to which is nicer. Yet the PSA card currently sits at $35k more than the other (auction ain’t done yet); almost 66% the current value of the SGC card.

[tbob]

I’m guessing the one on the left is the SGC card. Yes, yes, yes I know it’s a PSA world when it comes to investing and/or reselling but I love being able to buy nice looking SGC cards at a marked discount in comparable grade to PSA ones in auctions and eBay.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

If/when we get to post 50, I will reveal which is PSA and which is SGC (if you haven’t already looked it up).

The point of the thread was to show how much a flip is worth. I think we can all agree they are both very nice, and the opinions are fairly evenly split so far as to which is nicer. Yet the PSA card currently sits at $35k more than the other (auction ain’t done yet); almost 66% the current value of the SGC card.

We already know from Mike's post.
Assuming equal scans, the one on the right has better clarity in the face.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

If/when we get to post 50, I will reveal which is PSA and which is SGC (if you haven’t already looked it up).

The point of the thread was to show how much a flip is worth. I think we can all agree they are both very nice, and the opinions are fairly evenly split so far as to which is nicer. Yet the PSA card currently sits at $35k more than the other (auction ain’t done yet); almost 66% the current value of the SGC card.

Great Demonstration and good point

[JayZim13]

I also don't like the tilt on the one on the right. Didn't notice the spot until it was mentioned above. If the one on the left is an 8, shouldn't the other one be a 7?

[JollyElm]

I don't collect the 1952s, but are there two variations of the Jackie card (sorta like the pixel thing, etc., with the Mantle)?? If you look at his right shoulder in the big pics, they both have a matching large dot there, but the card on the left also has an additional dot in the area. Not saying something so minor is a variation itself, but is it a small telltale sign of a more distinguishable variation?

[Donscards]

I like the Robby on the left. I don’t like the diamond cut on the right one.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Ricky

I prefer the left even though the borders o the right are brighter.

Couldn't that just be a difference in the scans though? Would be best if you could view them side-by-side in person.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

If/when we get to post 50, I will reveal which is PSA and which is SGC (if you haven’t already looked it up).

The point of the thread was to show how much a flip is worth. I think we can all agree they are both very nice, and the opinions are fairly evenly split so far as to which is nicer. Yet the PSA card currently sits at $35k more than the other (auction ain’t done yet); almost 66% the current value of the SGC card.

Haven't cheated and looked it up, but let me guess, REA probably set the opening bid for the PSA 8 higher than for the SGC 8 as well, right? If so, that just reinforces the pricing bias in the minds of less informed/knowledgable bidders.

[Rhotchkiss]

SGC is on left, PSA on right. Personally, I prefer the one on the left, as the picture tilt and print defect on the PSA one would bug me, although I agree the picture is a bit clearer.

I don’t know what the opening bids were. I don’t follow this card. I just pulled up REA, sorted by most expensive, and they both came up quickly at the top and I instantly noted the price difference, compared the cards, could not see a material difference other than the flip, and started a thread

[uniship]

a PSA 8 example of this card sold for $384,000 earlier this year. When you think about the population of this card in the grade of 8 and higher (I think it’s about the same as the 52 topps mantle) and the relative price to the 52 Mantle, it almost seems like this Jackie Robinson card is largely undervalued.

Oh - and I like the card on the left.

[marzoumanian]

I was at the National in Chicago and asked Dean F. why the starting bid on the PSA was at $25,000 and the starting bid on the SGC was at $10,000. I was interested because I have an SGC 7.5 of this card.
What he told me was that there are times when if REA wants to get a large collection from someone who requests a significant reserve on certain cards it will bend. This was the case here, as I understand it. To be clear, if I submitted JUST my SGC 7.5 to REA and asked for a larger than normal reserve on just the ONE card, REA would say NO is what Dean told me. It's all about the SIZE of the overall collection being submitted.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by marzoumanian

I was at the National in Chicago and asked Dean F. why the starting bid on the PSA was at $25,000 and the starting bid on the SGC was at $10,000. I was interested because I have an SGC 7.5 of this card.
What he told me was that there are times when if REA wants to get a large collection from someone who requests a significant reserve on certain cards it will bend. This was the case here, as I understand it. To be clear, if I submitted JUST my SGC 7.5 to REA and asked for a larger than normal reserve on just the ONE card, REA would say NO is what Dean told me. It's all about the SIZE of the overall collection being submitted.

What's the difference, both amounts are trivial in the context of the value of the card and what it will sell for.

[Fred]

Something just looks "off" about the SGC8 card, my assumption is that bidders fill the same because that's huge difference in price between 8's.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

SGC is on left, PSA on right. Personally, I prefer the one on the left, as the picture tilt and print defect on the PSA one would bug me, although I agree the picture is a bit clearer.

I don’t know what the opening bids were. I don’t follow this card. I just pulled up REA, sorted by most expensive, and they both came up quickly at the top and I instantly noted the price difference, compared the cards, could not see a material difference other than the flip, and started a thread

Guessed right. And since you outed it, went and looked them up in REA's auction. And sure eough, the PSA card had a $25K opening bid, whereas the SGC card only had a $10K opening bid. Makes no sense for that disparity to me, unless the opening bids were somewhat set by the consignors, who had different ideas on what their cards would bring.

I agree with you and like the SGC card better, for the slight tilt/diamond cut and the print mark by the cap on the PSA card, and most especially for the price difference. Wow!!! Be interesting to see where these end up now.

And just now saw Mark's post about the consignor likely asking for a higher reserve on the PSA card after all. I still wonder if that opening bid disparity doesn't also play in to why some bidders will go so much more for it than the comparably graded SGC card.

[perezfan]

It's ridiculous.... The larger blown-up photos better reveal the fish-eye and tilt to the PSA example on the right. I originally thought it was a toss up, but can now see that the far less expensive one is the superior card.

[chalupacollects]

i vote left

[Peter_Spaeth]

This board may have the only people left in the hobby who actually care about the card as opposed to the flip. Which of course is fine but at this point given all that has happened there is just no reason to be surprised at the likely result here.

[Kidnapped18]

My initial look at both cards I liked the one on the RIGHT...however the tilt/diamond cut throws it off just a little

The blown up scans showing the imprint/defect above the cap also diminishes it

After looking at cards a second/third/fourth time both cards would be great to have and the one on the LEFT is my final answer

To me there should not be a $35K difference between these two cards regardless of flips

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

If/when we get to post 50, I will reveal which is PSA and which is SGC (if you haven’t already looked it up).

The point of the thread was to show how much a flip is worth. I think we can all agree they are both very nice, and the opinions are fairly evenly split so far as to which is nicer. Yet the PSA card currently sits at $35k more than the other (auction ain’t done yet); almost 66% the current value of the SGC card.

Since the PSA holder corners are visible in the pics it won't be a surprise.

[steve B]

I also like the left card. The tilt and print flaw really don't say "8" to me.

[Snowman]

I saw these both the other day and thought the exact same thing. That SGC is considerably better than the PSA in my opinion. Crazy thing is, if you cracked out the SGC and sent it to PSA today you'd probably get a 6.5 or 7 if you're lucky because they've moved the goalposts.

[cannonballsun]

Originally Posted by tbob

I’m guessing the one on the left is the SGC card. Yes, yes, yes I know it’s a PSA world when it comes to investing and/or reselling but I love being able to buy nice looking SGC cards at a marked discount in comparable grade to PSA ones in auctions and eBay.

+1

[uniship]

Yes there’s two ways to look at this. One way is to be mystified at why there is such a huge price difference between holders. The other is to take advantage of it and buy amazing cards at 50+% off.