T206 carolina brights or brown hindu, which is tougher?

[freakhappy]

Come to think of it Reg, maybe it is rare to find a Cycle 460 in a '4' grade or higher...that in itself could push the price sky high...these types of variables cannot be 'looked up' as far as price goes, but will only be determined by the bidder's desire to pay up!

[Vegas-guy]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Come to think of it Reg, maybe it is rare to find a Cycle 460 in a '4' grade or higher...that in itself could push the price sky high...these types of variables cannot be 'looked up' as far as price goes, but will only be determined by the bidder's desire to pay up!

Thanks! This is more of what I was thinking, if it's a "rare" back and it's the highest "know" grade of that back and card it's pretty much a guessing game??? It just depends on how bad you want it.

[pgellis]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Come to think of it Reg, maybe it is rare to find a Cycle 460 in a '4' grade or higher...that in itself could push the price sky high...these types of variables cannot be 'looked up' as far as price goes, but will only be determined by the bidder's desire to pay up!

Interesting thought.....so I just looked up my Cycle 460 Mike Donlin (with Bat)in SGC60 on their Population Report. They don't distinguish between Cycle 350 and Cycle 460, so it's difficult to tell, but their is only 1 Cycle Mike Donlin graded higher than my SGC60. It may be a Cycle 350, but who knows.

What do you guys think a Cycle 460 Mike Donlin (with Bat) in SGC60 would bring today?

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by pgellis

Interesting thought.....so I just looked up my Cycle 460 Mike Donlin (with Bat)in SGC60 on their Population Report. They don't distinguish between Cycle 350 and Cycle 460, so it's difficult to tell, but their is only 1 Cycle Mike Donlin graded higher than my SGC60. It may be a Cycle 350, but who knows.

What do you guys think a Cycle 460 Mike Donlin (with Bat) in SGC60 would bring today?

It's hard to tell, I guess the market would determine that...but looking at the price of the recent Cycle 460, you could be in good shape!

The Donlin only comes with a Cycle 460 back (thanks Tim and co at 206resource.com), so the higher populated one has to be a 460...still a nice grade. And knowing that only one higher grade exists, that's pretty awesome.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by pgellis

..so I just looked up my Cycle 460 Mike Donlin (with Bat)in SGC60 on their Population Report. They don't distinguish between Cycle 350 and Cycle 460, so it's difficult to tell, but their is only 1 Cycle Mike Donlin graded higher than my SGC60. It may be a Cycle 350, but who knows.

Hi Phil - Just for future reference SGC lists their T206 pop report information by year.

1909 = 150 Subjects back.
1910 = 350 Subjects back.
1911 = 460 Subjects back.
1909-11 = Assorted back. (Old Mill, Polar Bear, EPDG, etc.)

All of the Donlin Cycle's are listed as 1911 meaning they are all 460. I hope this helps.

[MVSNYC]

seems like SGC's T206 pop report can give a collector a better idea of the POP of a particular back brand versus PSA. it's very misleading when auctions say in their descriptions, for example "T206 PSA 5 OLD MILL Ferris- 1 of 2, w/ none higher for this brand". for the first +/- 15 years of PSA's existence, they DID NOT distinguish the different backs when slabbing T206, this has only been done for about the last 6 years or so. so it's very misleading for ebay sellers or auction houses to call out the Back POP. very misleading.

[Brian Weisner]

Hi Michael,
Good point.... The PSA pop report on T206's "backs" is about as useful as SMR... Take a look at the Carolina Brights report that shows only 28 cards graded PSA 4....I have 20 in my collection that do not show up on this report... Be well Brian

[Ronnie73]

Heres some research/info on ebay sales of Cycle 460 in a 4/50 grade or higher in the last year. Sold dates are within 15 days of actual sale.

Bill Bradley - With Bat - PSA 4 - $233.50 - 11/13/2011
Mordecai Brown - Chicago Shirt -PSA 4 - $677.55 - 11/13/2011
Howie Camnitz - Hands Over Head - PSA 4 - $275.00 - 12/18/2011
Doc Crandall - With Cap - PSA 4 - $499.99 - 11/3/2011 (UNSOLD)
Clark Griffith - Batting - PSA 4 - $333.78 - 1/16/2011
Buck Herzog - Boston - PSA 4 - $611.25 - 7/23/2011
Tom Needham - PSA 4 - $499.99 - 12/18/2011

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Heres some research/info on ebay sales of Cycle 460 in a 4/50 grade or higher in the last year. Sold dates are within 15 days of actual sale.

Bill Bradley - With Bat - PSA 4 - $233.50 - 11/13/2011
Mordecai Brown - Chicago Shirt -PSA 4 - $677.55 - 11/13/2011
Howie Camnitz - Hands Over Head - PSA 4 - $275.00 - 12/18/2011
Doc Crandall - With Cap - PSA 4 - $499.99 - 11/3/2011 (UNSOLD)
Clark Griffith - Batting - PSA 4 - $333.78 - 1/16/2011
Buck Herzog - Boston - PSA 4 - $611.25 - 7/23/2011
Tom Needham - PSA 4 - $499.99 - 12/18/2011

Thanks for the update on the sales, Ronnie. I think by the looks of the report, it somewhat confirms that if really depends on who wants the card bad enough. You have a HOF'er that sold a year ago for nearly half the price of what a common did a half a year later...doesn't make sense to me. Even more proof that the SMR can't be trusted and we pay what we are willing to fork up for a card.

On a little harsher back that you don't see rise up very often, people will definitely pay up for something they are not sure they will see for a long time...especially a mid to high grade. Can't say I blame them.

206's are on fire!!!

[philliesphan]

I have two Cycle 460s, both graded 4.0 (Doolan Batting and Magee with Bat). Don't yet have a Mcquillan bat. But I never realized that the Cycle 460s were a condition rarity.

Could this simply be an outlier set of increases?

M

[Bridwell]

Hi Marc,

Cycle 460's are more scarce than people think. I've seen 10 Cycle 350's for every 1 Cycle 460 over the last 20 years.

Ron

[MVSNYC]

will be interesting to see if a thread like this will raise the prices of cycle 460's even higher going forward.