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Old 04-08-2017, 08:56 PM
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Default 2002 Topps 206 Odds and Oddities - Joey Votto

I have been looking for the Votto mini from the 2002 Topps 206 for a while even though I was getting out. I have a UZIT, Sweet Caporal Red, and the common Polar Bear. I have not been able to find a Blue and Black Sweet Caporal. I also couldn't find any good information on the odds of these backs.



So today I decided to open a box of Series three I had. I had planned to keep it closed, but I finally got tempted to look. This information may not matter to most people and may not be exact from box to box, but since I couldn't find any help online I thought I would post my findings here for others if they are searching for the same answer.

Here is the mini backs break down of the Series 3 box:

20 Packs, 1 mini/pack:
13 Polar Bear
3 Sweet Caporal Red
2 Sweet Caporal Blue
1 Sweet Caporal Black
1 Uzit

I also had a Series 1 box. I know these don't carry the Votto card, but had fun opening boxes so I did this one also.

mini breakdown Series 1 box:
12 Polar Bear
4 Tolstoi Black
2 Tolstoi Red
1 Cycle
1 Blank Back - This is the oddity promised in the title since I have not seen that a blank back is suppose to exist. I assume this should be a Tolstoi Red based off the findings listed below for Series 2.



A few months back I did open a Series 2 box and kept cards together. I pulled that box out today to add the odds to the other series.

mini breakdown Series 2 Box:
12 Polar Bear
4 Black Piedmont
3 Piedmont Red
1 Carolina Brights

I also watched some box breaks on youtube for series 2:
Box 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkxcugm169g
11 Polar Bear*
5 Piedmont black**
1 Pied Red
1 Carolina Brights
1 pack missing mini

*didn't mention the back on one card, but I assumed it was PB since he made a point to mention the other backs.

**Didn't mention the colors of one of the Piedmonts and it wasn't on screen, but he was excited by the red Piedmont, and even mentioned his 1 red Piedmont and 1 CB at the end of the video leading me to believe the one he didn't mention the color of off screen was black

Youtube box 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpKRCTcbqu0:

14 Polar Bear
4 Piedmont Black
1 Piedmont Red
1 Carolina Brights

Also just another bit of fun:
I did also pull an original t205 from the series 1 box. What is great about that it was a Hoffman Piedmont Second base white. Hoffman t205s were cards I was studying because there were a few variations I noticed and brought up in another thread.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=192728

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Nice Hoffman: I'd give it a 2.5 Good +.

The odds weren't on the pack or box?
Some of the odds are listed here:
http://www.baseballcardpedia.com/ind...2002_Topps_206
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Nice Hoffman: I'd give it a 2.5 Good +.

The odds weren't on the pack or box?
Some of the odds are listed here:
http://www.baseballcardpedia.com/ind...2002_Topps_206
The mini back odds aren't listed anywhere, other than the Bazooka, Drum, Lenox, and AB as those were limited to 30 or less. Though based on these numbers we can assume there were approx. 371,100 packs distributed for Series 3 (Since Votto is in Series 3 and started this off in the fist place).

If we go off that approximate number of packs with one mini per pack there should be 371,100 minis. Subtract out the 625 Baz, Drum, Lenox and AB and you are left with 370,475 distributed over the other brand backs. If my box pull was typical the distribution should look like this:

240,809 Polar Bear
55,571 Sweet Cap Red
37,048 Sweet Cap Blue
18,524 Sweet Cap Black
18,524 Uzit

There were 165 subjects so for any particular subject I would think it is close to these numbers:
1459 PB
337 SC Red
225 SC Blue
112 SC Black
112 UZIT

Of course this is based off the small sample size of one box and expecting the BAZ, Drum, Lenox odds are correct (The AB odds worked out to more packs).

This should still be helpful for people like myself when it comes to looking for any particular backs.
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For what it's worth, there were three red back ones on COMC with the one listed in March 2016 selling for $41. There hasn't been a blue back Votto on COMC since 2013 and that one sold for $26, highest of the four that were on site.
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For what it's worth, there were three red back ones on COMC with the one listed in March 2016 selling for $41. There hasn't been a blue back Votto on COMC since 2013 and that one sold for $26, highest of the four that were on site.
I do remember that red one. I didn't purchase it and found mine on ebay. The blue one's were before I was looking and before I was on COMC, but would have been willing to pay the $26 for one.

I will state another reason I am sure these are hard to find isn't just the low print runs, it is the fact that there was 6 years between their printing and his 2008 Rookie season causing these to be forgotten about in common boxes in storage.
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Hi Andy,

That blank back is cool, I bought quite a few boxes of these back in
2002 and I've never seen one. After reading this thread I looked
and found two series three boxes that I had opened but kept
the cards in the box. Here's the mini breakdown of the two boxes.

13 Polar Bear
3 Sweet Caporal Red
2 Sweet Caporal Blue
1 Sweet Caporal Black
1 Uzit

12 Polar Bear
4 Sweet Caporal Red
2 Sweet Caporal Blue
1 Sweet Caporal Black
1 Uzit

One of them was a Votto but it's a Red Sweet Caporal.
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Hi Andy,

That blank back is cool, I bought quite a few boxes of these back in
2002 and I've never seen one. After reading this thread I looked
and found two series three boxes that I had opened but kept
the cards in the box. Here's the mini breakdown of the two boxes.

13 Polar Bear
3 Sweet Caporal Red
2 Sweet Caporal Blue
1 Sweet Caporal Black
1 Uzit

12 Polar Bear
4 Sweet Caporal Red
2 Sweet Caporal Blue
1 Sweet Caporal Black
1 Uzit

One of them was a Votto but it's a Red Sweet Caporal.
So it shows that there was a very similar break down (with only a variance in 1 PB to SC Red). Also you alluded to my other theory of difficulty since these came out so many years prior to Votto's MLB appearance his cards weren't sorted out.

I wouldn't mind having another sweet caporal red, but believe you could do well ($20-$40) with it in auction, you may be able to hold out for more in a straight sale because as I mentioned I don't see any for sale currently and Votto Master collectors seem to still need them. Could also just be a card to hold onto if he ever gets out of this current slump.
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Andy,

I found one box of mini's and I'm pretty sure I have more somewhere.
If I find them and I have an extra Votto you can have it.

I pulled this Wagner from a pack. I also have a Bonds Bazooka somewhere.
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Andy,

I found one box of mini's and I'm pretty sure I have more somewhere.
If I find them and I have an extra Votto you can have it.

I pulled this Wagner from a pack. I also have a Bonds Bazooka somewhere.
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I certainly wouldn't mind some more Vottos. I really think the Topps 206 sets were fun when they first came out. I was already into vintage, but loved the vintage "feel" being introduced to modern cards.
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I was really into the 2002 Topps 206 set. I have four blank backs, which I grossly overpaid for back then, before it became apparent (or at least I think so) that they weren't an unannounced parallel but instead probably a regular blank back, where one or two sheets slipped through without a back. Pretty neat you found another after all this time.
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I was really into the 2002 Topps 206 set. I have four blank backs, which I grossly overpaid for back then, before it became apparent (or at least I think so) that they weren't an unannounced parallel but instead probably a regular blank back, where one or two sheets slipped through without a back. Pretty neat you found another after all this time.
Yeah, too bad it was no one that anyone would pay a premium for. I assumed it was just an error, but I still thought it was pretty cool. Thanks for confirming that there were more of them out there (I assumed, but had never heard of them).
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I just received these 2002 Topps 206 Minis back today from a group submission.


Uzit -Not only is this Uzit a PSA 10 POP 1 - It is the only one graded by PSA at all.
2002 TOPPS 206 VOTTO UZIT - PSA 10 - 3761 by andy neubert, on Flickr

Red Sweet Caporal - Pop 1, out of 5 graded with the next highest being a couple 8s.
2002 TOPPS 206 VOTTO SC RED - PSA 10 - 3764 by andy neubert, on Flickr

Blue Sweet Caporal - Not a POP1, but a POP 2 and they are both here. The next highest grades are 8. I actually had just pulled one of these within the last month from box that I had planned on saving, but got bored.
2002 TOPPS 206 VOTTO SC BLUE - PSA 10 - 3763 by andy neubert, on Flickr
2002 TOPPS 206 VOTTO SC BLUE - PSA 10 - 3762 by andy neubert, on Flickr

Polar Bear - My only miss. There is a POP1 10 out there somewhere, but I don't have it. This has a POP 3 with the single 10 and a single 6, 7, and an 8.
2002 TOPPS 206 VOTTO POLAR BEAR - PSA 9 by andy neubert, on Flickr
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Hello All,
I got a late start on collecting this set. It is the only one I am building. Might be a long time to complete but still plugging away. If there is any one out there that can help me complete the sets I would be greatful.
2002 Tops 206 Want Lists

Tolstoi Red
#93 Vizquel
#98 Grace
#136 Johnson
#172 Cobb

Cycle
# 5 Gonzalez
#14 Wood
#23 Rollins
#32 Damon
#33 Thomas
#34 Bonds
#37 Alomar
#40 Kendall
#45 Smith
#49 Catalanato
#51 Burnitz
#58 Zito
#64 Glaus
#93 Vizquel
#97 Sheets
#109 Higginson
#114 Sasaki
#130 Ortiz
#133 Inge
#139 Neugebauer
#144 Mottl
#145 Tritle
#150 Thompson
#153 Woodrow
#154 Jackson


Carolina Brights
#222 Cedeno
#234A Jordan Grey Jersey
#243 Sexton
#246A Rodriguez Grey Jersey

Sweet Caporal Red
#353 Ramirez
#357 Colon
#362 Rodriguez
#377 Lowe
#395 Larussa
#410 Young
#412 Huber
#414 Bozied
#422B Loney w/sky background
#429 Votto
#430B Upton people in background
#431A Santos
#453 Ohara

Sweet Caporal Blue
#310A Bonds w/ elbow pad
#314 Jones
#323 Gonzalez
#324 Anderson, G
#328 Nen
#331 Hernandez
#340A Sosa Blue Jersey
#341 Martinez, P
#347 Pujols
#357 Colon
#358 Giambi, jeremy
#372 Larkin
#375 Ibanez
#381 Burrell
#385 Tejada
#386 Pettitte
#390A Dunn w/ bat
#394 Cox
#395 Larussa
#399 Cuddyer
#411 Myers
#421 Span
#425 Granderson
#426B Pride
#427 Broadway
#428A Greene green background
#429 Votto
#430A Upton grey background
#433 Smith
#435 Berra
#440 Jenkins
#443 Killebrew


Sweet Caporal Black
#309 Wells, V
#310B Bonds w/o elbow pad
#312B Soriano w/o wristband
#313 Piazza
#314 Jones
#315 Green
#316 Byrd
#318 Walker
#320 Hillenbrand
#323 Gonzalez
#325 Halladay
#326 Winn
#329 Hoffman
#330 Wells, K
#331 Hernandez
#333 Hunter
#335 Karros
#336 Lowell
#337 Johnson, N
#338 Simon
#339 Burks
#340B Sosa Grey Jersey
#341 Martinez, P
#343 Castilla
#344 Johnson, R
#346 Hudson
#348 White
#354 Millwood
#355 Percival
#359 Cruz
#360B Ichiro White Jersey
#361 Guardado
#364 Simontachi
#370A Garciaparra One Bat
#370B Garciaparra Two Bat
#372 Larkin
#380B Jeter
#381 Burrell
#385 Tejada
#387 Lieberthal
#390A Dunn w/ bat
#390B Dunn
#393 Torre
#394 Cox
#395 Larussa
#398 Gardenhire
#399 Cuddyer
$403 Berroa
#407 Kotchman
#408 Heilman
#409 Gonzalez
#411 Myers
#412 Huber
#414 Bozied
#417 Stokes
#419 Blalock
#420 Schilling
#422B Loney w/sky background
#423A Bankston w/blue background
#425 Granderson
#427 Broadway
#428B Greene red background
#429 Votto
#430B Upton people in background
#432 Dorpic
#433 Smith
#435 Berra
#437 Roberts
#439 Carter
#440 Jenkins
#441 Cepeda
#443 Killebrew
#445 Musial
#447 Brock
#448 Palmer
#449 McGraw
#453 Ohara
#455 Lajoie

Uzit
#308A Rodriguez blue jersey
#310A Bonds w/ elbow pad
#312A Soriano w/ wristband
#313 Piazza
#314 Jones
#315 Green
#316 Byrd
#318 Walker
#320 Hillenbrand
#321 Gibbons
#323 Gonzalez
#325 Halladay
#326 Winn
#327 Morris
#328 Nen
#332 Ordonez
#333 Hunter
#335 Karros
#336 Lowell
#339 Burks
#340A Sosa Blue Jersey
#340B Sosa Grey Jersey
#342 Spivey
#346 Hudson
#348 White
#350B Prior yellow background
#351 Gagne
#353 Ramirez
#356A Giambi batting
#356B Giambi throwing
#357 Colon
#359 Cruz
#360B Ichiro White Jersey
#362 Rodriguez, Ivan
#363 Crawford
#366 Mondesi
#367 Pierzynski
#368 Urbina
#369 Lopez
#371 Counsel
#376 Ishi
#377 Lowe
#378 Schilling
#381 Burrell
#384 Rolen
#390A Dunn w/ bat
#390B Dunn
#391 Floyd
#392 Salmon
#394 Cox
#395 Larussa
#397 Brenly
#398 Gardenhire
#400 Mauer
#405 Crosby
#407 Kotchman
#412 Huber
#417 Stokes
#418 Phillips
#420 Schilling
#423A Bankston w/blue background
#423A Bankston w/sky background
#424 Hermidia
#427 Broadway
#428B Greene green background
#431 B Santos grey background
#432 Dorpic
#443 Killebrew
#444 Snider
#446 Greenberg
#448 Palmer
#453 Ohara
#454 Tinker

Bazooka
#34 Bonds
#47 Gwynn
#73 Dunn
#100 McGwire
#104 Oswalt
#119 Jeter
#131 Duckworth
#185 Alomar
#223 Martinez
#253 Helton
#262 Prior
#308 Rodriguez
#310 Bonds
#337 Johnson
#350 Prior
#360 Ichiro
#381 Burrell
#385 Tejada
#293 Torre
#454 Tinker
#456 Wagner

American Beauty
#308 Rodriguez
#310 Bonds
#312 Soriano
#370 Garciaparra
#456 Wagner

Lenox
#308 Rodriguez
#340 Sosa
#349 Guerrero
#353 Rameriz
#416 Baldelli

Drum
#324 Anderson
#356 Giambi
#360 Ichiro
#390 Dunn

Game Used Bat Relics
Wagner Blue
Wagner Red
Cobb

Thanks
Aaron
360 913 1292

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Really big set, and a lot of image variation SPs. Make sure you check COMC and make offers, put cards on your watch list, watch them go on sale, etc. Good luck.
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