N566 Newsboy Pugilists and their variations

[G1911]

Originally Posted by sthoemke

Here's Muldoon, with the advertising back:

I only have one of the Red Indian backs, on Julia Marlowe 318 (not as cool as a pug or Muldoon). The actresses don't carry much of, or any, premium for them but that one took me a long time to find a copy of to buy at all.

[G1911]

And a contribution found by another collector who prefers to remain anonymous makes for 20 combinations thus far. This Corbett is a good contrast to the last one from Ed. That card in post 29 has the photo cut abnormally large, and this one is on the other extreme end, the photograph cut pretty small. Again we can see that these are all handcut pictures, and so cropping varies by at least a fraction between basically every single card in the series.

Font 1, no name or number in photo, name on mount without a number.

Updated Work in Progress "Master Set" Checklist (20 cards):
23 J.J. Corbett (Portrait, font 1)
23 J.J. Corbett (Portrait, font 2)
72 J.J. Corbett (Fighting pose, font 2, name on photo, no number)
72 J.J. Corbett (Fighting, font 2, no name/number on photo, both name/number on card)
72 J.J. Corbett (Fighting pose, font 2, number on photo, number and name on card)
72 J.J. Corbett (Fighting pose, font 1, no number, name on photo)
72 J.J. Corbett (Fighting pose, font 1, no name or number on either)
72 J.J. Corbett (Fighting pose, font 1, nothing on photo, name on mount)
72 J.J. Corbett (Fighting pose, Campbell)
72 J.J. Corbett (Portrait, font 2, number on photo, name/number on mount)
73 Peter Jackson (Foot straight, font 2, no number, name on mount)
73 Peter Jackson (Foot straight, font 1, number in photo, name on mount
73 Peter Jackson (Foot straight, font 1, number in photo and on mount, name on mount)
73 Peter Jackson (Foot straight, font 1, no number/name in photo, name on mount)
73 Peter Jackson (Foot straight, font 2, nothing in photo, number and name both on mount)
73 Peter Jackson (Foot angled, font 1, name in photo, no name or number on mount)
347 James J. Corbett (No advertising on back)
966 Bob Fitzsimmons (Newsboy, font 2)
966 Bob Fitzsimmons (Campbell)
1068 John L. Sullivan (Newsboy, font 2)

[Exhibitman]

The Red Indian back is on at least one other card. Also a Boston Herald back on a Campbell Fitzsimmons.



I suspect that all of the minute variations were simply the result of making new batches of cards when the orders exhausted the old one.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The Red Indian back is on at least one other card. Also a Boston Herald back on a Campbell Fitzsimmons.



I suspect that all of the minute variations were simply the result of making new batches of cards when the orders exhausted the old one.

Thanks Adam, I forgot about the Herald’s I should have included as a possibility in the OP. That makes 21 combinations.

Different cards within a series of the Newsboys don’t seem to all have the same combinations available - I suspect from what I’ve seen that they were released somehow in subseries that roughly track the number, with some cards replaced by new cards and some continued into later productions and thus only coming with whichever of the minute variations was being made at that exact time in production.

The only odd thing is the existence of font 1 and font 2 on basically everything, the two mounts in main series 1 existing on everything and the same for most of series 3 until the rarest number sequences are hit and there’s just not a sample size to look at.


I do wonder if the Jackson second pose was a ‘mistake’, or an intended photo change like the other photograph variations tied to the same number. As it looks so very similar and seems to be unusually rare for a first release pose so wonder if it was just a mistake and they didn’t really intend to use a different picture that production run.

[sthoemke]

Originally Posted by G1911

I only have one of the Red Indian backs, on Julia Marlowe 318 (not as cool as a pug or Muldoon). The actresses don't carry much of, or any, premium for them but that one took me a long time to find a copy of to buy at all.

I have a flea market find of an autographed Lillian Russell Newsboy. I hope it is worth more than the $10 I paid for it.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by sthoemke

I have a flea market find of an autographed Lillian Russell Newsboy. I hope it is worth more than the $10 I paid for it.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say "yes".

[G1911]

I paid $10 for my unsigned Russell. I think maybe I am doing it wrong

[G1911]

And another one, courtesy of eBay.
72 J.J.. Corbett (Portrait, font 1, number on photo, name on mount)



Updated Work in Progress "Master Set" Checklist (22 cards):
23 J.J. Corbett (Portrait, font 1)
23 J.J. Corbett (Portrait, font 2)
72 J.J. Corbett (Fighting pose, font 2, name on photo, no number)
72 J.J. Corbett (Fighting, font 2, no name/number on photo, both name/number on card)
72 J.J. Corbett (Fighting pose, font 2, number on photo, number and name on card)
72 J.J. Corbett (Fighting pose, font 1, no number, name on photo)
72 J.J. Corbett (Fighting pose, font 1, no name or number on either)
72 J.J. Corbett (Fighting pose, font 1, nothing on photo, name on mount)
72 J.J. Corbett (Fighting pose, Campbell)
72 J.J. Corbett (Portrait, font 2, number on photo, name/number on mount)
72 J.J.. Corbett (Portrait, font 1, number on photo, name on mount)
73 Peter Jackson (Foot straight, font 2, no number, name on mount)
73 Peter Jackson (Foot straight, font 1, number in photo, name on mount
73 Peter Jackson (Foot straight, font 1, number in photo and on mount, name on mount)
73 Peter Jackson (Foot straight, font 1, no number/name in photo, name on mount)
73 Peter Jackson (Foot straight, font 2, nothing in photo, number and name both on mount)
73 Peter Jackson (Foot angled, font 1, name in photo, no name or number on mount)
347 James J. Corbett (No advertising on back)
966 Bob Fitzsimmons (Newsboy, font 2)
966 Bob Fitzsimmons (Campbell)
966 Bob Fitzsimmons (Campbell, Boston Herald back)
1068 John L. Sullivan (Newsboy, font 2)

[sthoemke]

Why isn't Muldoon included on the Master List of boxers?

While he is most known for wrestling, he also had a boxing career, and was a trainer.

He is in 3 boxing hall-of-fames.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by sthoemke

Why isn't Muldoon included on the Master List of boxers?

While he is most known for wrestling, he also had a boxing career, and was a trainer.

He is in 3 boxing hall-of-fames.

Because as far as I can tell, he was never a boxer and never had a boxing career.

Muldoon was a physical trainer for John L. Sullivan's camp for the Kilrain fight. He was the head of the NY Athletic Commission for awhile, regulating boxing. He was connected to almost everyone from John Morrissey to Gene Tunney in some way as a trainer, regulator, or bar owner in New York in a time when the sports were closely related. He made the bark knuckle hall of fame because it is established in his old barn Sullivan used as a training camp for the Kilrain bout. He made the IBHOf as a non-participant for his training of Sullivan.

However, Boxrec does not have any record of him fighting in a boxing match. I cannot identify Muldoon ever really boxing, beyond a handful of staged exhibitions to show off someone else's skill. He is depicted as a wrestler on his card, and this was his primary source of fame. Just as he is typically grouped with wrestlers in N28, N29, N162, etc. for these reasons I followed this logic. I noted him in post 5 when I got to the 300's series of green bordered cabinets as relevant to this board.