For sale VERY RARE 1952 Globe Printing Miami Flamingo's lot

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Posted By: Jim Manos

These are by far the hardest of the 1952 Globe Printing issue's. Great type card from a rarely seen issue. Please feel free to ask for scan's. PSA/SGC will grade these. These are in SUPER CONDITION. Thank you.

Art Bosch ex/mt $350
Tommy Vern ex/mt $350
Ray Williams ex/mt $350
Bobby Lyons ex/mt $350
Billy Barrett ex/mt $350 SOLD
Dick McMillion ex/mt $350
Jack Caro ex/mt (with 1952 on reverse) $275
Clark Henry ex/mt (with 1952 on reverse) $275
George Henry ex/mt colored player if you will $450
Morton Smith ex/mt (has to be a Jewish player I would assume??) $550

Will sell as a group at a 10% discount also.

Thank you in advance.

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Posted By: bcampf

Unless I missed something in my Torah studies, neither the Mortons nor the Smiths are amongst the tribes of Israel.

Also, when you say "colored," just what color do you have in mind?

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Posted By: Jim Manos

Morton is widely used as a Jewish first name. Colored is of African American if you can't figure out what I meant by colored player. I appreciate the opportunity to educate you.

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Posted By: Jim Manos

You must have missed that day??

http://www.askoxford.com/firstnames/morton?view=uk

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Posted By: boxingcardman

unless you're doing a play set in Jim Crow days or looking to start a fight, and "Jewish" first names are really not a basis for labeling a player Jewish. Perhaps a bit more care and some actual research next time.

Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: JimB

Didn't the term "colored" go out of general usage around the time of the civil rights movement?
JimB

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Posted By: bcampf

Morton's Salt: http://www.mortonsalt.com/
Bubba Morton's Stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mortobu01.shtml
All about color wheels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_wheel

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Posted By: Jim Manos

You XXXX head's are right. Sorry for using that the player is colored and that Morton maybe Jewish. I must apologize. I was way out of line. Man you guys must have a really boring XXXXkin life.

edited some color ...carry on if you wish...

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Posted By: leon

Then there was this place where you could actually buy, sell, and trade baseball cards...all for free...with your friends....The friends were all sorts of colors and had all sorts of names....some were Christian, some were Jewish....heck, some might even be Athiest or Agnostic....For some reason the little pieces of cardboard never seemed to care....happy holidays...

ps...please keep it clean while we are fighting...

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Posted By: JimB

Thanks for the heartfelt apology. Let me take a wild guess. You are neither African-American, nor Jewish.
JimB

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Posted By: jamie

Jim,
You continually misidentify players as Jewish and then jack the prices up on cards. You're more often wrong than right. Calling someone Jewish because you think their name sounds Jewish is almost as bad as trying to pick us out of a crowd. Do some minimal research next time- there's plenty of lists online that identify actual Jewish players.

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Posted By: Rhys

If only this guy had a baseball card! Now that is colored.

http://timworstall.typepad.com/timworstall/2007/12/man-turns-blue.html

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Posted By: Jim Manos

I said the guy maybe Jewish. You collectors or Jewish collectors or whatever the hell you collect DO THE RESEARCH. I just stated he maybe Jewish. Unreal, just though some of you folk maybe interested in the card if the guy is Jewish. I think you guy's are mistaken me for a collector. If the card is to much don't buy it. I buy cards and flip them... the guy had a Jewish first name may help a guy out if he wanted to do research or collect black and white cards, don't know don't care?? Get the picture?? I collect dead presidents and thats it. Waste someone else's time with your dime store bull****...

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Posted By: jamie

For someone seemingly only concerned with making money, you have zero customer skills. Here's one more customer you just lost you pigheaded ass.

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Posted By: boxingcardman

Please learn some basic people skills for your own good.

Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: James Feagin

There are only two religious systems I know of that have a niche following in our hobby. Those being the Jewish, and the others being the Mormons. My good friend Jamie and others on here are Jewish, as myself and Rhys are Mormon. Unless it is obvious that the name is related to the faith, it seems kind of far-reaching and dishonest to try to profit on a "might be" name. If there was a player named Levi Goldstein or someone named Brigham Larsen and no other information was available, I could see that being a possibility. However, when raising those far-reaching possibilities is part of your technique with no research involved, it just doesn't reflect well on the seller.

James

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Posted By: DD

It's seems irrelevant to me if the player was African American in 1952. Even if he was the first African American for that team, the increased appeal seems limited; I don't think Pumpsie Green cards carry a premium in Boston.

As far as the Jewish reference, being Jewish it did not offend me at first. I became more offended by Jim's responses if anything.

And by the way, I think there are also quite a few Native American collectors out there.

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Posted By: Steve D

Morton is widely used as a Jewish first name. Colored is of African American if you can't figure out what I meant by colored player. I appreciate the opportunity to educate you.


Methinks tis you that needs an education.



Steve D

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Posted By: Glen Turner

Jim:
I sure would like to see a scan of one of these cards showing what the Miami Flamingo uniform looked like.
Thanks,
Glen R. Turner, Jr.
lutherlafy@cox.net

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Posted By: JimB

I know one "flipper" I will never buy a card from, no matter what.
JimB

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Posted By: barrysloate

My father is Morton Sloate and he's Jewish!

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Jim, some Jewish people might be offended by your continued attempts to try to inflate the price of your cards by claiming (usually falsely) that the players depicted on the cards are Jewish. It's a predatory practice.

Most people (not just non-whites) are offended by the use of the term "colored" to describe an African-American. That word has been deemed offensive pretty much for the past 30 years or so. I suppose it is theoretically possible that you missed that -- and I'm not being facetious when I write this.

Perhaps if instead of getting defensive when you are called out on these issues you could accept the fact that you are wrong, change your behavior, and then move on. I don't think anyone would have a problem with you if you did just that. Continuing to defend the use of the word "colored" is racist.

I'm really trying to be straightforward here and not just jump on you because I think you would be better served learning these two points.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jim could also be a little more considerate when addressing potential customers. Although I don't buy anything from him, I follow his posts and he seems to have a very short fuse.

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Posted By: J Levine

Cut Jim some slack...what he does not know is that the origin of the name "James" and "Manos" are both Hebrew...so Jim, how does it feel to be one of the chosen people like many of us?

Oh yeah...Jim...calling someone "colored" is as offensive as calling you a "wog" (for those of you who do not know, "wog" was used as a derogatory term for Greeks which I think Jim might be considering his last name).

Joshua

*punctuation edit

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Posted By: howard

"Jim", isn't that a Zoroastrian name? Damn, I HATE Zoroastrians!

As a member of the Tribe I was not at all offended by Jim's speculation about Morton. I did think it odd that he used the term "colored" but I just figured he's an old fogey set in his ways and/or still fighting the Civil War. His responses in subsequent posts, however, reveal that he's just needs to learn some "people" skills.

For God's sake, Jim, move out of your mom's basement and make some friends.

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Posted By: CN

The word colored where I live in the northeast is the prefered term nowadays as Afro-American went out about 5 years ago. Unfortunately others use derogerately terms still. It is ironic that in the NYC area the so called N word has almost disapeared from the caucasion use of it but Blacks use this word frequently when describing there own and it has had a been the source of many debates in the press up here. The word colored though has seemed to be the latest politically correct term in recent years. I don't think Jim meant any harm in using the word. CN