T206 Gilbert Missing Red?

[Bocabirdman]

What sort of a "real" premium (if any) is associated with a card like this? It appears to be missing the Red pass . I see a few crazy BINs but no completed sales on the Bay.




Here is the card that I have.
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Here is a scan from the Bay.
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[scooter729]

I can't help with price estimates, but I can say that SGC told me at a show this past weekend that they are no longer grading cards like this, which are missing ink, etc.

I had a similar T206 and also an E92. Sounds like they have had a few cases of fraudulent altered cards which they haven't been able to detect easily, so they are staying away from grading these.

[packs]

From what I understand adhesive on the backs of cards most commonly affects red ink. This card looks to have some kind of stain on the back of it, which could be a remnant from being glued to something and soaked.

[ullmandds]

i don't think there is any relation between the back stain and the missing red ink...I believe it looks legit. But...I have no idea on value...def worth more to some then others. No book for things like this.

[Bocabirdman]

I can say that the card has not been soaked in my possession. There is no residue on the back. The stain, I believe is just that, a stain.

I have been told by people that I trust that they believe it legit.

I am curious as to what to do with it. There is one on the Bay with a $640 BIN. I was going to put this on my $23 or less thread for $21 until I was enlightened.

I do not partake in the "Freak" side of the hobby so I do not really have a clue.

I would like to get rid of it as that is what I am doing, buying slabbed examples and moving the raw, entombing my Monster. The question really is....@$21 ...$640 or somewhere in between?

[caramelcard]

I agree that it looks legit. Hard to put a price on it, but my opinion is that an ebay auction would find enough interested parties to determine it's value.

Rob

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

What sort of a "real" premium (if any) is associated with a card like this? It appears to be missing the Red pass . I see a few crazy BINs but no completed sales on the Bay.

Sorry, all, but this is not a missing ink card. The tell-tale sign on the Gilbert cards is the belt region. While the other areas of red on this card had an undercoat of pink/buff, the belt region does not. Any remnant of red/pink/etc. on the belt is a fade of some sort.

The "St. Louis" area of the uniform is also a tell. There should only be one layer of color of the grey if this was missing ink. There are two: the pink/buff and a faded red.

I used this info when trying to convince SGC that a Gilbert that I had was, in fact, missing the red pass. They didn't budge. And speaking of missing... I'm really missing that McGinnity that I consigned to H&S back in the day