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Old 03-20-2017, 09:47 AM
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Is KSA the same as CSA? I know CSA was a Canadian company years ago. I sent some Jordan Star cards to them long before Beckett graded them. Just wondering what their reputation is today?
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KSA has no relation to CSA, as far as I know.

CSA newer flips with the hologram = very likely trimmed
CSA older ugly blue or red flips = probably good, but maybe a bit overgraded

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Old 03-20-2017, 07:59 PM
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This makes no sense. Do rounded corners, creases, and sizing appear different on hockey cards than baseball cards?

How are they on football cards? Do they struggle to see condition issues on football cards, but not on hockey cards?

I don't know, you'd have to ask them or these guys.
http://vintagehockeyforum.com/forum/...over-questions
http://www.network54.com/Forum/38176.../1/KSA+Grading
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=140481
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Old 03-21-2017, 09:17 AM
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KSA has no relation to CSA, as far as I know.

CSA newer flips with the hologram = very likely trimmed
CSA older ugly blue or red flips = probably good, but maybe a bit overgraded
These are the older blue flips. Hard to tell if they are over graded but likely I'm sure. I'm thinking of busting them out and sending them to Beckett. They were $5 and $10 cards back in 1990 so nothing lost if they come back lower than the 8's and 9's they are now.

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Old 03-24-2017, 09:10 AM
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Interesting summation. I have had much better luck buying raw and getting graded than cracking out and regrading.

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Well, I cracked some cards from various holders and submitted the cards "raw" to PSA and asked them to be graded with NO Qualifiers. I collect hockey cards so the results will likely vary to other sports. Generally speaking I'm pretty happy with the results but, there are definitely some discrepancies..without a doubt KSA cards are risky...Here are the results..

Cards submitted..1965 Topps Hockey

Toe Blake was Beckett 7 now PSA 8
Gump Worsley was SGC 7 now PSA 7
Jean Beliveau was KSA 8 now PSA 5
Billy Harris was "raw" now PSA 6.5
Glenn Hall was "raw" now PSA 5
Al MacNeil was Beckett 7 now PSA 6
Stan Mikita was SGC 8 now PSA 8
Ken Wharram was "raw" now PSA 8 (looked like a 9 to me)
Terry Harper was Becket 7 now PSA 5
Tim Horton was KSA 8 now PSA 7
Frank Mahovlich was Becket 7 now PSA 6
Phil Goyette was KSA 7 now PSA 6
Elmer vasko was "raw" now PSA 7
Phil Esposito was "raw" now PSA 4.5 (Card had great colour and centring, was looking for a grade between 5 or 6)

Last but not least #121 Checklist (unmarked and slightly off centre) was KSA 8 now PSA 5

The results speak for themselves, cracking out cards carries some risk, but finding a good "raw" card is likely the best route to go..KSA graded cards are definitely not worth "cracking out of their holders"..Do so at your own peril.
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