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Leon- I usually agree with everything you say, but this doesn't compute to me: 'I have always thought of pre war to be 1945, and back, as that is when the war ended.'
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Leon Luckey Last edited by Leon; 05-25-2018 at 07:47 PM. |
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That's my article, so I'll chime in.
First, since there's some confusion, as a point of clarification, my definition is pre-1940 cards (i.e. 1939 counts while 1940 doesn't). I realize there are some 1939 issues that technically came after the 'start' of the war but trying to separate those out is virtually impossible. There's no consensus on it as we see here. My pre-1940 date hinges on the fact that these are called 'pre' war cards. A 1940 card, in my opinion, shouldn't be considered pre-war because war was already occurring. And using dates of when paper rationing started, when cards declined, etc., never really made sense to me. They're called pre-war not pre-paper shortage, etc. I can respect differing opinions on that. I'd just disagree a little there. I mean, if there was no paper shortage at all, does that mean we don't have a pre-war era? I can understand a 1945 date more than I can 1941, to be honest. I interpret pre-war as before the war began but others may interpret it as when the war ended. Again, I don't agree but I can understand that. But 1941 won't ever make sense to me because pre-war cards encompass more than simply U.S. issues. If we're using a country's (in this case, the U.S.) entry date into WWII as the determining factor that means pre-war dates would differ depending on the country someone is in. To me, the era should be the same no matter where you live and having pre-war eras with different dates around the globe seems like it would be far too confusing. All of that said, I realize there's no consensus, nor will there ever be. But that's my story and I'm sticking to it
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Hey Anson
Nice article. I feel the point you make is salient concerning the start of the war, when taken in the context of the world. I guess it matters that we are discussing pre-war baseball cards and most collectors are really only thinking US.....right or wrong. The 1941 date seems like the correct one to use in that instance. Quote:
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This is the way I look at various card issued dates :
19th Century Early 20th Century ( 1900-1945) Mid 20th Century ( 1946-1980) Late 20th Century - Modern Era ( 1981-1999) 21st Century ( 2000 - Present)
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That's fair, Leon, and thanks for the compliment. The majority of the cards in the context here are certainly American baseball issues. While I'm not a fan of having different pre-war eras for different types of cards, if a separation of sorts was justified, it would probably be for American baseball.
Given that my site includes football, basketball, and hockey, as well as numerous international issues (I catalog any set that has even a single baseball, basketball, football, or hockey card), I sort of have to look at the overall context. That said, I can understand why only collectors of American baseball issues would define the period a little differently. Quote:
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We use World War 2 as a defining event because it is the only time the world was at war. At its peak, there were shooting wars in Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania. Australia and North America were attacked by the Axis. South American was the only region not under direct attack, although there was fighting with uboats in the Caribbean and South Atlantic. Many Latin American countries declared war on the Axis and Brazil fought along side the Allies. The 1941 date is the only one that makes sense to me. In 1939 it was a European war much like WW1, Germany vs. England. The "World War" broke out in 1941 with 2 events. Germany breaking their non aggression pact with Russia bringing them into the war. Japan deciding to go to war with USA, England and the Netherlands and attacking Pearl Harbor. These two events brought the other 3 major military forces into the war, Russia, Japan and USA and caused most countries in the world to align themselves with one side or the other. I choose the date when the war started in full for the world and not a European date or date of another regional conflict. |
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I just did a search for “pre-war cards” on eBay, which listed everything 1941 and earlier. And since we all know eBay knows everything (LOLOLOL) that settles it.
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I use 1939 because that is the most generally accepted date for the beginning of World War II. Really, you could list all sorts of conflicts that appeared before then. But 1939 is hardly my own random date and, whether the best theoretical date or not, it's the date that is most accepted universally as 'the beginning' of World War II.
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