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Old 08-14-2019, 03:39 PM
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Tom, like Scott says, you have T219's. They are all boxers and are a set of 50. They have HLC, Miner's Extra, and Red Cross backs. Here's a T218 compared to a T219....
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Old 08-14-2019, 06:04 PM
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Oops. My bad. They are Hassan backs. I have since read that there may be some that are part of series 2 but do not say "Series 2" on them? This is confusing.
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Old 08-14-2019, 06:43 PM
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Oops. My bad. They are Hassan backs. I have since read that there may be some that are part of series 2 but do not say "Series 2" on them? This is confusing.
Here's a thread with more info on T218 backs. see post8 in the following thread... www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=260170
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Old 08-16-2019, 07:50 AM
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I have Frank Riley with Hassan back with no ref to series 2. It was issued by Factory 30. Perhaps the Factory number has a bearing on the back set details. In your explanation this card should have a series 2 back...
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Old 08-16-2019, 07:40 PM
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Frank Riley is in Series 2.
All of the Series 2 cards come in 6 different backs:
- Mecca. Series 2 factory 30
- Mecca Series 2 factory 649
- Hassan Series 2 factory 30
- Hassan Series 2 factory 649
- Hassan no series. factory 30
- Tolstoi no series factory 30

So the Hassan cards from factory 30 are printed with both
Series 2 and no series, which makes this set a bit confusing

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If the card has a series 2 back, it is a series 2 card. Series 2 was issued with a Hassan Factory 30 back that doesn't feature the series byline as well, which is where basic set checklists get confused with the series. A series 2 card has 6 backs (Mecca 30/649, Hassan 30/649, Hassan 30 without series notation, Tolstoi).


Jack Johnson (Green) breaks all the rules - it was evidently released part way through Series 1 and continued in some Series 2 sheets. I've never seen or heard of a Tolstoi back. H.J. Handy was only released in series 1 with a Mecca back, presumably pulled to make way for Johnson. It is a SP. Johnson Green is the most common card in the set. I suspect his late addition was similar to the situation with his Turkey Red.


3 cards in series 1 have spelling variations on the back, all with Factory 649, 1 confirmed with 30, 1 I suspect with Factory 30, and the last a question mark. All are tough, but not equally so.


There are series title variations on the series 3 track cards - perhaps not every card exists with this on factory 30 and 649.


I know of two blank back cards extant as well.


I think 630-640 cards exist, with a few still question marks. I'm about 85% of the way through a total master set of every combination.
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Hey Tom - sounds like your Honest Long Cut backs are likely T219s and not T218s. They use the same images but the T219s are narrower. There are no T218s with HLC backs.
Since we're discussing masters sets - T219 has 50 of the boxer fronts on a physically smaller side. A master set consists of 200 cards, each having 4 differentbacks.


Honest Long Cut, Black Text on back - about 60% of cards
Honest Long Cut, Green Text on back - about 30% of cards
Miners Extra - about 10% of cards
Red Cross - so rare they may as well be a rounding error


No one differentiates between the two HLC backs, it seems. Miners Extra don't sell for very much either, though they are tough cards. I still need 6 to finish my set
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3 cards in series 1 have spelling variations on the back, all with factory 649, 1 confirmed with 30, 1 i suspect with factory 30, and the last a question mark.
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Maybe 2 confirmed now?
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Maybe 2 confirmed now?
That would be 2 confirmed, thank you for sharing it! If you ever want to sell it, Iíll overpay



Trudenbach exists with both factories and is the most common, though still tough.

Iíve heard of other F30 Gillis, but this is the first photo Iíve seen. His 649 is a tougher than Trudenbach

The 3rd is Cloughan/Cloughen. I have it with Factory 649 and have never seen a copy I donít own, though there must be some out there. Have not seen with a F30, and nobody seems to have publicly noted its existence before 2017.


It seems to me that the three corrections were probably made at 3 different times early in the print run, OR the the sheet had double/triple/etc. prints of Trudenbach and Gilles if they were all corrected at once. They appear to have been printed in rows with the same card repeating down the row on the sheet
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I have multiple copies of each of the spelling errors - I can confirm factory numbers on them when I get home later tonight.
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G1911,
Thanks, if youíre really interested in overpaying, PM me an offer and Iím sure we can work something out.
I agree with your earlier comment that there are 630-640 cards in the master set. My checklist says there are 628 confirmed, 5 or 6 more that probably exist and 4 more that could exist but I doubt do. Most of the unknown ones are in the Series 3 track and field guys. If you would like a copy of my spreadsheet, just let me know.
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G1911,
Thanks, if youíre really interested in overpaying, PM me an offer and Iím sure we can work something out.
I agree with your earlier comment that there are 630-640 cards in the master set. My checklist says there are 628 confirmed, 5 or 6 more that probably exist and 4 more that could exist but I doubt do. Most of the unknown ones are in the Series 3 track and field guys. If you would like a copy of my spreadsheet, just let me know.
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PM'd on the Gillis + spreadsheet sharing!
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I have multiple copies of each of the spelling errors - I can confirm factory numbers on them when I get home later tonight.
I'd love to see them! I'll post scans of all Saturday when I get back to their physical locations, but I have:

Trudebnach, Factory 649 - 5 copies
Trudenbach, Factory 30 - 1 copy
Gillis, Factory 649 - 1 copy
Cloughan, Factory 649 - 3 copies


My cards are not a good representation of the population - Gillis F649 is underrepresented, and Cloughan is very much overrepresented as I've purchased every Cloughan I've seen since I found my first one in 2006. Trudenbach appears to be much more common, though still rare, and I got the extra 4 copies of his F649 for almost nothing. Just never paid the premium for the Gillis F649 error when I've seen extras so far.

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I'd love to see them! I'll post scans of all Saturday when I get back to their physical locations, but I have:

Trudebnach, Factory 649 - 5 copies
Trudenbach, Factory 30 - 1 copy
Gillis, Factory 649 - 1 copy
Cloughan, Factory 649 - 3 copies


My cards are not a good representation of the population - Gillis F649 is underrepresented, and Cloughan is very much overrepresented as I've purchased every Cloughan I've seen since I found my first one in 2006. Trudenbach appears to be much more common, though still rare, and I got the extra 4 copies of his F649 for almost nothing. Just never paid the premium for the Gillis F649 error when I've seen extras so far.
Here's my contribution of errors I could find quickly - thought I had a couple more but will have to check more thoroughly later. The Trudenbachs are one of each factory.

Note that the Gillis is a Factory 30 - different than the 649 that you noted.

Now, let the overpaying begin!!
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Here's my contribution of errors I could find quickly - thought I had a couple more but will have to check more thoroughly later. The Trudenbachs are one of each factory.

Note that the Gillis is a Factory 30 - different than the 649 that you noted.

Now, let the overpaying begin!!
Thank you for sharing your cards! I've gone from being unable to find a photo of Gillis F30 to confirm its existence to seeing 2 here in 24 hours. I'll send you a PM about the overpaying lol

A Cloughan Factory 30 error is now, I believe, the last card from Series 1 that could possibly exist but has not been proven
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