Can anyone help identify these players?

[Ed]

Hi, I'm new to this group, and I have this photo. Can anyone help to identify the players/managers/umpires? Thanks

[Chris Counts]

I can't say for sure who any of these guys are, but I'm going to guess and say that's Jack Hendricks in the Reds uniform at the left, Donie Bush in the Pirates uniform, and Wally Pipp wearing the other Reds jersey ...

[John V]

That's Forbes Field facing the 3rd base line. Can't mistake those left field bleachers! Barney Dreyfuss is the gent with his hand in his pocket.

[brickyardkennedy]

I believe the guy on the left is Pat Moran and the guy in the Pittsburgh uni is George Gibson.

[bmarlowe1]

For sure the players are Pat Moran, George Gibson (as stated by Brickyardkennedy) and Dode Paskert.

The ump far right is Hank O'Day. The Dreyfuss ID is correct.

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OK - I now see that this same question was split into 2 separate threads - due credit to Rhett for correct player ID's.

[Theoldprofessor]

But what are they doing? And who are the two smaller gentlemen who seem to be the only ones working?

Pat Moran died in 1924; the latest the picture can have been taken. He managed Cincinnati from 1919 through '23.

Moon Gibson was a Pirate catcher from 1905 through 1918, and manager from 1920 through '22.

Dode Paskert played for Cincinnati in 1921. He had no ML managing experience, and I can’t determine if he was ever a ML coach.

Hank O’Day umpired on and off from 1903 until 1927. In 1912 he managed Cincinnati to a 75-78 mark. He was the NL umpire at the first World Series, between Boston and Pittsburgh..

At the moment, 1920-22 looks like the best bet. It appears to be some sort of commemorative occasion. It can’t have anything to do with the series, since Cincinnati is heavily represented and Boston not at all, except, perhaps, by the other Suits.

Best guess .. on October 2, 1920, the last triple-header in ML history was played at Forbes between the Pirates (and Manager Gibson) and the Reds (Manager Moran). This may be some sort of ceremony marking the occasion. The Reds won two of three, thereby eliminating the Bucs from a slice of Series money by dropping them to fourth in the NL standings. The flowers appear reminiscent of a funeral.

Dode Paskert played in none of those games. Is presence in the photo in this scenario is inexplicable, unless the picture was taken the following spring, when he had returned (very briefly) to the Reds.

Hank O’Day umpired all three contests.

[Mark]

I can't imagine that they would have known that it was going to be the last triple header in mlb. Or that the appropriate response to it was to present the managers of the two teams with bouquets of flowers. The next time I am at the Hillman or Carnegie libraries, I will try to hunt down some newspapers from early and late 1921 to see if I can find any references to this bizarre scene. If anyone wants to beat me to it, go right ahead.

[rhettyeakley]

As stated in the other thread, it is fairly clear the photo includes Moran-Gibson-Paskert and also included are Hank O'Dea (umpire) and Barney Dreyfuss (Pittsburgh owner). Paskert and Moran being together dates it to 1921. Pittsburgh was obviously playing Cincinnati at some point that season.

Paskert only played in 27 games that season, his last in the majors. of those games a surpising 10 came agains the Pittsburgh Pirates, on the following days...

April 13, 14, 15, 16 (@Cincy)
April 21, 22, 23, 24 (@Pittsburgh)
May 8 (@Cincy)
May 27 (@Pitt) --Paskerts last ML game

Of these dates the first group of games was umpired by Rigler and Moran, the second group by O'Dea & Quigley, the third by O'Dea and Quigley, the fourth by Emslie and Brennan

Likely leaving only (due to O'Dea being in photo)
April 21, 22, 23, 24 (@ Pittsburgh)
May 8 (@ Cincy)

Looking closer a these games the April 21-24 was the Pittsburgh Pirates Home Opener, as they began the season on the road in Cincinnati. Due to Dreyfuss being there, the game was probably in Pittsburgh.

My guess would be April 21, 1921 the flowers and all that stuff being due to it being the Pirates 1st Home Game of the season.

-Rhett

[rhettyeakley]

It would make sense that the guy whose face is mostly obscured by Hank O'Dea's faceis likely Ernie Quigley (the other Ump that day)

-Rhett

[yanks12025]

Is it me or does the one guy to the right in the reds uniform look like he got the crap beat out of him.

[Theoldprofessor]

Could very well have been opening day in '21. Paskert would have been there, but why include him in a ceremony like that? And the two members of what I can't help but call the Lollipop Guild (immediate apologies to all concerned) don't appear too pleased about having to carry the flowers. Were they, I wonder, special because they're little people, or for some other reason?

My earlier contention about the triple header wasn't that they knew it was the last, but that because the Bucs lost 2 of 3, they wouldn't share in WS money. "Celebrating" that would be far more somber than celebrating opening day.

Man, this beats the hell out of work.

[bmarlowe1]

Note that Gibson's uniform dates this to 1921. It appears to be white, the Red's uni's appear darker with faint striping - indicates it's in Pittsburgh. Also I've been able to confirm that it's Forbes Field from other photos. This all confirm's Rhett's analysis.

[Mark]

Mark
Anyone who remembers Forbes Field will recognize that they are standing along the third base line.