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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Dec 7th 1941 we were attacked by Japan......did we retaliate against them alone ? |
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Posted By: paulstratton
I was there. It is a sh*thole of a place to be sure. It's like taking a step back about 500 years. I think it is similar to Vietnam in that we don't know who the enemy is, but to compare it to a "conflict" where we lost over 50,000 men/women is a little absurd. I'm sure some of you who were around in the 1960's may have a different opinion and I can respect that. We may have lost that battle, but we did end up winning the war in a sense when "Big Red" collapsed. |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
AP, thanks. |
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Posted By: Cobby33
How can this money-guzzling and human life-taking exercise be considered a "world war," if virtually all U.S. allies refuse to take part in it? |
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Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Cobby, |
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Posted By: Josh Adams
Paul, |
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Posted By: Cobby33
Ryan-Oops! My bad! |
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Posted By: barrysloate
This thread proves what we've known all along- our own country is completely split and neither side is willing to tolerate anyone else's point of view. The Pro-Bush crowd hates the dissenters and anti-Bush throng hates the war, and if this thread went a thousand posts nobody would back down and accept anyone else's opinion on where we went wrong. If there is so much dissension right in our own backyard, we have a quandary that will not get resolved. I have my own point of view as to why this war is a disaster, but as I scroll down this thread and see how inflexible we all are (I suppose I'll include myself in that group) I just see how far this country has fallen. I'm actually afraid to see a Democrat elected in 2008 because he/she will just become a punching bag for all of our myriad problems. Maybe we should just let Bush have a third term so at least we could keep kicking him in the butt and say it was all his fault. Forget the civil war in Iraq- we have an ideological one here in America. It's not about making the world better, it's about who to blame for everything that has gone wrong. |
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Posted By: AP
It's nothing personal, Daniel - just the facts. |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
remove the word Democrats from your original post and the facts are the facts. I think some people would rather sit by and just HOPE another 9/11 doesn't happen. I'm not sure the war in Iraq is/was the right thing. Originally 'for' it, I get more against it day by day here but if we do nothing, it WILL happen again on US soil. Even if we do something, it WILL happen again on US soil. Democrat or Republican, these people see ONLY Americans. The Biblical cries are great as we all know you can find any passage in the Bible to either become a pacifist (....turn the other cheek....) or an activist (....an eye for an eye....). About time to lock this one down and move on to our little cardboard pictures of men again........ |
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Posted By: leon
I am coming to agreement with my good friends Tom Boblitt and Barry. It's very interesting to see what others think about this subject. There are really good points on both sides (pro and anti war). If you don't see that then you are somewhat closed minded, imo. I gave my very long winded (about 2 sentences) opinion about 150 posts ago. I was for it and now I am becoming against it, or at least against our troops getting killed in a no win situation. Something has to be done I just don't know how/what. Obviously no one has figured that out yet. One thing I will say is that if you think Bush enjoys what is going on you are dead wrong. Does anyone in their right mind think that he likes facing the thousands of families who have had someone give the ultimate sacfrifice for our freedom? That has to be horrible. Let's let this thread go a few more hours and lock it down. As with anything I think moderation is a good thing. Also, if anyone has to get in one more opinion, after locked, they can always email me and we can chat about it. I want to let everyone speak their mind but also do want to get back to our little gems pretty quickly. After all that is what this board is for. Please pray our troops will be safe too. Take care and Happy New Year.... |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
Noone has suggested he "enjoys" this or has even questioned his good intentions. What has been questioned is his strategic and political judgment -- doesn't it say something to you hawkish folks when even James Baker seriously questions that judgment? In all the rhetoric I have yet to hear a plan for how we can "win" this conflict, or how such a "win" is going to put an end to terrorism. Indeed, one might think the presence of the American military in Iraq is a useful recruiting tool for Al Qaeda. |
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Posted By: Brian
Paul, |
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Posted By: leon
Peter- No doubt hindsight is 20/20. I doubt seriously that if Bush knew what he knows today he would do it the same way. I think he did what he thought was best, as you have said, and it didn't/hasn't worked. If our goal is to protect our country maybe we could pull out from over there, in a structured way, and use those resources to protect our own shores better? We could also still support our allies (Israel etc..) with those same resources. Fighting in the streets over there isn't working. regards |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Leon- there are many things I could wish for in 2007, but if I could pick one that related to this thread it is that there could be a lot more tolerance of other people's opinions. There are clearly two sharply divided sides, and it would be productive if everyone stopped being so close minded and realize none of us has worked out the world's problems. We all have spent some time thinking about these issues. We live in very dangerous times and are all aware another 9/11 is very likely to happen here one day. But nobody on this board, myself included, has THE ANSWER. We are merely expressing personal opinions, but too many of us are pigheaded and believe that only MY solution is the right one, and to hell with everybody else. If we could all make a resolution, let's agree that the Democrats are not the cause of all our problems, the Republicans are not the cause, and it's not a black and white world of liberals against conservatives. This is the small-minded thinking that is slowly destroying the fabric of this country. How about we all agree that the other guy may actually have something worthwhile to say, and it's worth listening? I've been watching this thread closely and you know what- we are all as clueless as the next guy. Let's stop pretending any single one of us has it all worked out. Thank you, and let's have a happy and healthy 2007! Regards, Barry |
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Posted By: Cobby33
Barry is correct. This is why talking about politics is a waste of time, other than to pass the time at cocktail parties. |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
Cobby, Dems and Republicans did work together and came up with the Baker-Hamilton report, but so far the Administration has essentially dismissed it as they know better. |
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Posted By: Cobby33
I suppose we haven't really learned anything from the report compiled by the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community, other than, don't carry shampoo on airplanes. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Hey, I've got opinions about everything and I too am totally fed up with our administration. But I also realize I'm just a hack who sells baseball cards and reads the NY Times every morning, so why should I delude myself into thinking I have the answer to all the world's problems? I don't, and it would probably be a good idea if they didn't elect me president, because I would f*** things up even worse. That's why I am willing to listen to what other people have to say, because a lot of people on this board are a lot smarter than I am. I might strongly disagree with an opinion, but no harm with that. It wouldn't be a bad idea if others were willing to listen, too. |
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Posted By: AP
I fail to see what the point of this statement is: There were no Weapons of Mass Destruction. We may not have found any, but they certainly were there at one time. |
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Posted By: Brian
Barry, I sincerely doubt that you would f*&^%! things up worse...... |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Fine- put me on the ballot for the Lunatic Party. |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
This whole two sides to this particular argument thing...... |
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Posted By: Cat
Barry/Leon: |
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Posted By: AParks
For those of you keeping score at home, here's how to oppose the war without sounding like you oppose the war - say things like "Bush never had a good plan for the invasion" - taken straight from the How to Sound Like a Liberal handbook. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
You can't really predict how terrroists will react to Hussein's death, because terrorism by definition is random and unpredictable. But the world is a dangerous place and not to harp on the issue, America would be a lot better place if we weren't so divided. I fully believe we should find a way out of Iraq; however, I know others disagree and I would like to hear what those people have to say. You know what- I might actually learn something I didn't know before. |
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Posted By: Brett
Just because the Americans never found any WMD's, it doesn't mean that Iraq doesn't have them... |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
Doesn't mean she's not a bus. |
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Posted By: paulstratton
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