The real truth about Peter Nash

[Peter_Spaeth]

Agenda or not, I would think anyone in possession of stolen property should return it.

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Agenda or not, I would think anyone in possession of stolen property should return it.

Clearly not everyone feels that way.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Well it sucks to spend a lot of money on something and find out it's stolen, but the last I checked a thief can't convey good title and that goes down the chain of subsequent sales, so it's unfortunate but so it goes.

[BeanTown]

It becomes art and then you hope one day they will dearchive or transfer title with a nice donation. I hear many muesuems and Liberies do this from time to time. Many victims over the last 40 years from items that have been stolen that are buried in many deep collections.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

It becomes art and then you hope one day they will dearchive or transfer title with a nice donation. I hear many muesuems and Liberies do this from time to time. Many victims over the last 40 years from items that have been stolen that are buried in many deep collections.

In other words, keep stolen property hoping the rightful owner will give up and abandon it? Wow. Don't like that code of ethics.

[botn]

Yup

[BeanTown]

Keeping on the thread, it's about Peter Nash. Peter and Greg have you ever written for Hauls Of Shame before?

[tazdmb]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Agenda or not, I would think anyone in possession of stolen property should return it.

Agreed, while I hate the unsubstantiated accusations made by Peter Nash, I would be lying if I did not admit I have learned a great deal from his website in terms of stole autographs/artifacts. Without his help, I think my collection would be littered with stolen goods that would make me feel very uncomfortable.

On I side note, I have gotten to know Bill Hasse, former Senior VP of the Hall of Fame, and flat out asked him why the HOF has not taken more steps to return some of the stolen artifacts. He told me that, unfortunately, much of the stuff that was stolen was never properly archived so that they had 100% proof, which is what the FBI wanted, to get the items returned. While other items, like the Johnson Presidential balls, was a pretty open and shut case.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

Agreed, while I hate the unsubstantiated accusations made by Peter Nash, I would be lying if I did not admit I have learned a great deal from his website in terms of stole autographs/artifacts. Without his help, I think my collection would be littered with stolen goods that would make me feel very uncomfortable.

On I side note, I have gotten to know Bill Hasse, former Senior VP of the Hall of Fame, and flat out asked him why the HOF has not taken more steps to return some of the stolen artifacts. He told me that, unfortunately, much of the stuff that was stolen was never properly archived so that they had 100% proof, which is what the FBI wanted, to get the items returned. While other items, like the Johnson Presidential balls, was a pretty open and shut case.

That's pretty much true for a lot of archives and museums. Many aren't well funded or have ups and downs. So a large collection gets "archived" which basically means boxed up hopefully in something more archival than a cardboard box, and labeled with a general idea of what's there. Like "famous person X collection, box 5 miscellaneous correspondence 1920-35" And there is sits awaiting a better cataloging, which may never happen.

I don't know how detailed they are about stuff that gets deaccessioned these days, hopefully they make a detailed record. But years ago if you had something the current director wanted and asked to swap for something from "one of those boxes in the basement" you might just get what you wanted. One of the people running the national stamp collection at one time would have stuff specially printed to trade for items they needed. Not exactly on the up and up, but at the time it was accepted. And there weren't many records kept at all.

It's not a good situation, and makes stuff prone to theft.

Steve B

[Peter_Spaeth]

JC, now that I've answered your question about whether I ever posted on Nash's site, please answer one of mine: has the NYPL -- the owner of the stolen Peck and Snyder in question -- asked you to return it?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

JC, now that I've answered your question about whether I ever posted on Nash's site, please answer one of mine: has the NYPL -- the owner of the stolen Peck and Snyder in question -- asked you to return it?

If I were JC I would not only not answer your question I might just tell you to F off.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

He can do what he wants, Leon, but JC raised the subject himself in post 17, and then purported to justify not returning stolen property in post 21. So I'm just asking a logical follow up question.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He can do what he wants, Leon, but JC raised the subject himself in post 17, and then purported to justify not returning stolen property in post 21. So I'm just asking a logical follow up question.

Forget the not telling you part, i would just say F OFF to you if I were him. I have firsthand knowledge very few (except one close hobby friend) have on returning things to the NYPL . Just my opinion, everyone has one, some more informed than others. I am done but I will tell you this, I am 100% on JC's side on this.

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