Who got this smokin’ deal on this Goudey Foxx??!

[luciobar1980]

Geez Louise, probstein half-awake this morning??

https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/362404164...2047675.l10137

[Sean1125]

Thats my card and it was missing a 1 in front of it..

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Thats my card and it was missing a 1 in front of it..

Tough break Sean.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Tough break Sean.

What is the tough break? I would bet the sale got canceled and it will get relisted correctly, at least that is what Sean has done before. Can't really expect someone to take a hit like that because of a pricing error.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by bnorth

What is the tough break? I would bet the sale got canceled and it will get relisted correctly, at least that is what Sean has done before. Can't really expect someone to take a hit like that because of a pricing error.

Well, is that what happened or did Probstein already ship the card?

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by bnorth

What is the tough break? I would bet the sale got canceled and it will get relisted correctly, at least that is what Sean has done before. Can't really expect someone to take a hit like that because of a pricing error.

Aaaaaaa yeah you can. If I walk into a store and it says milk is a dollar a gallon you better give the gallon of milk for a dollar. It’s bad business any other way. People make errors every day in life that cost them, do they get a redo?
It’s not like the card listed it self. Anyone who has listed a card on eBay knows
That you have to create the listing and then it ask you to proof it. Then you get to Look at the listing and push LIST IT.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by bnorth

What is the tough break? I would bet the sale got canceled and it will get relisted correctly, at least that is what Sean has done before. Can't really expect someone to take a hit like that because of a pricing error.

Rick and staff work very hard to list items and quickly, it is very understandable that, in haste, someone missed a digit. I have grace with them and I urge you to do the same.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Aaaaaaa yeah you can. If I walk into a store and it says milk is a dollar a gallon you better give the gallon of milk for a dollar. It’s bad business any other way. People make errors every day in life that cost them, do they get a redo?
It’s not like the card listed it self. Anyone who has listed a card on eBay knows
That you have to create the listing and then it ask you to proof it. Then you get to Look at the listing and push LIST IT.

It's unfortunate that this is the attitude of many people in the world today.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by Pat R

It's unfortunate that this is the attitude of many people in the world today.

It’s unfortunat that you think integerty and trust is a bad attitude. Look if they want to negotiate a deal where they don’t loose as much money on the deal that between them. But any company worth there salt will HONOR the mistakes they make.

[x2drich2000]

Originally Posted by Pat R

It's unfortunate that this is the attitude of many people in the world today.

+1, IMO its one thing to give away $2 for a mistake, such as the case with incorrectly pricing milk, it is an entirely different thing to give away $1k. That amount could seriously effect many small businesses and I wouldn't blame any small business, like an ebay seller, from refusing to honor a mistake like that.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Pat R

It's unfortunate that this is the attitude of many people in the world today.

Yeah, while I would like a great deal if someone said they made a mistake I probably wouldn't freak out. It does depend on how it's handled. One of the very few negs I have given on ebay was a seller not selling at an offer made and they waited 4'ish days to cancel the transaction. They also made up a story about the cards being fake so that is why they canceled it. I called BS and gave them what they deserved. Had they been truthful I probably would have just not left feedback at all....

[BleedinBlue]

there have been other pricing errors lately with probstein. New hire?

[JustinD]

There is a giant difference in canceling a BIN pricing error and canceling an auction that did not get the results you were hoping for. I don't think we should apply the same logic in sellers honor.

I think any seller would be well within their right to cancel a sale like this and it would be petty to give revenge feedback for an honest error. I would have certainly bought it but not been surprised at a refund. That price is crazy.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

+1, IMO its one thing to give away $2 for a mistake, such as the case with incorrectly pricing milk, it is an entirely different thing to give away $1k. That amount could seriously effect many small businesses and I wouldn't blame any small business, like an ebay seller, from refusing to honor a mistake like that.

-1 IMO https://www.delawareonline.com/story...ss/20582211/if you call a 15 million dollar business small then good for you. This is a old article so I’m sure it’s doing better then that.

So if people came into the store all day buying milk at that discounted price that’s not a problem? 1000 people came in to the store and wanted it at that price or a rain check for it?

I’m not saying they should feel good about the mistake they made. There is no law holding them to it. This is when integrity comes in to play. If you don’t value your customer then why should they or anybody else do business with you? If you can’t trust that you bought and paid something and will receive it then why buy anything from them?

If you want to avoid this way of thinking then you have to man up and honor you mistake.

The question is not can he not honor the transaction. Of course he doesn’t HAVE to. But what should he do as a multimillion dollar business owner that made a mistake in a hobby that’s foundation is trust and integrity.

[Johnny630]

Trust and Integrity are earned, never a given.

[steve B]

Here in Mass at least, it's not just good business to honor a marked price, it's the law.

It's at least partly to stop bait and switch schemes. Home depot had a stack of shelves in boxes with a pretty nice one on top that had the price sign hung on it by a string tied through the uprights.
When I was putting my two boxes in the car, I noticed that what was actually in them was the cheap shelves that I wouldn't buy at any price. Complained, eventually got a manager after asking if they knew what bait and switch was and that it was illegal. Showed him the shelf holding up the sign and what was actually in the boxes. He balked until I told him he was lucky I just wanted the two I'd bought at that price and not as many as I could load into the van. I got my two shelves, and he had the sign removed immediately.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

If you don’t value your customer then why should they or anybody else do business with you?

Who's the customer here - the buyer or the consignee? If the transaction goes through, one guys screwed out of $1k (doesn't get something he deserves) and another gets an item at a fraction of market value (gets something he doesn't deserve). What's right about this?

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by Pat R

It's unfortunate that this is the attitude of many people in the world today.

Huh? Honoring the sale is unfortunate? IMO the prevailing attitude seems to be making excuses and irresponsibility. Seems there's an entire sector of our population that doesn't believe in consequences for one's actions.

There's insurance for this; called Errors and Omissions. If Probstein doesn't have it, then he's s*** out of luck. The buyer should demand the card at that price.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Who's the customer here - the buyer or the consignee? If the transaction goes through, one guys screwed out of $1k (doesn't get something he deserves) and another gets an item at a fraction of market value (gets something he doesn't deserve). What's right about this?

Your right but the consigner didn’t do anything wrong. This was a error of the seller. Cosigner didn’t say sell this card for whatever you can get for it. He said there should have been a 1 infront of thy price. The only person who should be screwed is the seller. Maybe this is the problem in the world. You body should pay for your mistakes but you.

[marcdelpercio]

So, to the people who are stating that you should always honor the listed price, even if it's clearly an error...say you are going to list your house for sale for $250,000 and you accidentally type a period instead of a comma in that number which causes your ad to list it instead for $250.00, you're saying that you are going to have the honor and integrity to just eat that mistake and go ahead and sell it for 250 bucks?

[lloydchristmas]

Originally Posted by JustinD

There is a giant difference in canceling a BIN pricing error and canceling an auction that did not get the results you were hoping for. I don't think we should apply the same logic in sellers honor.

I think any seller would be well within their right to cancel a sale like this and it would be petty to give revenge feedback for an honest error. I would have certainly bought it but not been surprised at a refund. That price is crazy.

You’re making too much sense.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Huh? Honoring the sale is unfortunate? IMO the prevailing attitude seems to be making excuses and irresponsibility. Seems there's an entire sector of our population that doesn't believe in consequences for one's actions.

There's insurance for this; called Errors and Omissions. If Probstein doesn't have it, then he's s*** out of luck. The buyer should demand the card at that price.

To me it is a question of integrity and honor. When an obvious pricing error is made, you don't try to take advantage of the person or business. My father taught me that when he was buying a pool table. When the clerk rang it up, the total came up much less than it was actually supposed to be. He pointed out the error and paid the correct amount. I believe that when you treat others right, they will do the same to you. I certainly would understand in this situation and wouldn't try to get a 1250 card for 250.

I disagree with the above. Probstein is big enough seller that EBay won't do anything. EBay wouldn't do anything for me when I won an auction cheap and the seller refused to send the item. As has been pointed out, that is a completely different situation, but EBay can't force them to ship the card.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Who's the customer here - the buyer or the consignee? If the transaction goes through, one guys screwed out of $1k (doesn't get something he deserves) and another gets an item at a fraction of market value (gets something he doesn't deserve). What's right about this?

Both the consignor and the buyer are the customer in this case. If auctioneer made an error on the listing they should step up and add the "1" to the consignee's check and ship the card. Both customers are made whole.

This idea that the consignee should lose out on an error is ludicrous. This idea that auctioneer gets to walk is also ludicrous. The buyer should actually makes out but that's his/her lucky day...

By the way in most states a misquoted price on a shelf or in a sale flyer is held accountable in most retail environments until retracted by the retailer once discovered...

[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by JustinD

There is a giant difference in canceling a BIN pricing error and canceling an auction that did not get the results you were hoping for. I don't think we should apply the same logic in sellers honor.

I think any seller would be well within their right to cancel a sale like this and it would be petty to give revenge feedback for an honest error. I would have certainly bought it but not been surprised at a refund. That price is crazy.

I agree.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

By the way in most states a misquoted price on a shelf or in a sale flyer is held accountable in most retail environments until retracted by the retailer once discovered...

I don't believe this is true. What states is that the case? It definitely isn't the case in Illinois.

Let me ask you and others on here, if this was on BST, would you ask the seller if it was a mistake or would you try to by the card? Maybe it is just me, but I couldn't buy an item for 20%.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by rats60

I don't believe this is true. What states is that the case? It definitely isn't the case in Illinois.

Let me ask you and others on here, if this was on BST, would you ask the seller if it was a mistake or would you try to by the card? Maybe it is just me, but I couldn't buy an item for 20%.

In NY, NJ and CT.. There are tough consumer protection laws on retail... I remember Home Depot, Lowes, Dick's Sporting Goods and Stop N Shop getting pinched on pricing errors... And they made good via honoring the errors and or giving rainchecks if they ran out of the item(s)

As for the BST I would PM the seller if that was correct price... Can't say though that I have ever seen that on the BST though!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

In NY, NJ and CT.. There are tough consumer protection laws on retail... I remember Home Depot, Lowes, Dick's Sporting Goods and Stop N Shop getting pinched on pricing errors... And they made good via honoring the errors and or giving rainchecks if they ran out of the item(s)

As for the BST I would PM the seller if that was correct price... Can't say though that I have ever seen that on the BST though!

We should run an experiment and try it....see how many PMs the seller gets on his obviously mis-priced card.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Aaaaaaa yeah you can. If I walk into a store and it says milk is a dollar a gallon you better give the gallon of milk for a dollar. It’s bad business any other way. People make errors every day in life that cost them, do they get a redo?
It’s not like the card listed it self. Anyone who has listed a card on eBay knows
That you have to create the listing and then it ask you to proof it. Then you get to Look at the listing and push LIST IT.

You are absolutely 100% incorrect here. While a store might honor the price in your example because it’s so small, they do not have to honor an incorrect price that was published by mistake and it happens all the time, usually when the decimal was misplaced.

This is not the same as bait-and-switch in which it’s deliberate.

[Marchillo]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

In NY, NJ and CT.. There are tough consumer protection laws on retail... I remember Home Depot, Lowes, Dick's Sporting Goods and Stop N Shop getting pinched on pricing errors... And they made good via honoring the errors and or giving rainchecks if they ran out of the item(s)

As for the BST I would PM the seller if that was correct price... Can't say though that I have ever seen that on the BST though!

I live in CT and the retail laws are very tough. I know that if something rings in at a higher price at Stop N Shop they give it to you for free (maybe up to 5 of the same item).

In terms of the pricing error I agree that integrity goes both ways. If its obvious (like in this case) that there was a pricing error, maybe the auction can be cancelled and the seller (not the consigner) can give the buyer a $100 credit towards another auction. This way the buyer gets something, the consigner gets what he paid for (reselling the card for $1250), and the seller really only misses out on the commission on that particular card.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

We should run an experiment and try it....see how many PMs the seller gets on his obviously mis-priced card.

About 10 years ago when I first started selling on the BST, and more naive about T206s than I am now, I listed a common that had a more desirable back than I realized. I received a couple of helpful PMs rather quickly (i.e., correcting me, not asking if it was the "real price").

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

We should run an experiment and try it....see how many PMs the seller gets on his obviously mis-priced card.

About 10 years ago when I first started selling on the BST, and more naive about T206s than I am now, I listed a common that had a more desirable back than I realized. I received a couple of helpful PMs rather quickly (i.e., correcting me, not asking if it was the "real price").

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

You are absolutely 100% incorrect here. While a store might honor the price in your example because it’s so small, they do not have to honor an incorrect price that was published by mistake and it happens all the time, usually when the decimal was misplaced.

This is not the same as bait-and-switch in which it’s deliberate.

If it was published in a circular and you went to the store for that reason. Then that is false advertisement. This is not allowed and must be honored or dealt with by the law in many states. Maybe we are not talking about decimals.

If you get a misquote from a roofing company that’s in your favor of a thousand dollars and you agree. How if that your fault? And the company will honor this mistake. But enough with the apples and oranges.


The issue here is what it is. The buyer didn’t know it was a mistake. For all they knew it was a great price. The card was listed after being proofed by a professional multi million dollar company.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

The issue here is what it is. The buyer didn’t know it was a mistake. For all they knew it was a great price. The card was listed after being proofed by a professional multi million dollar company.

Most likely the buyer did know it was a mistake. Few people buy something for 250.00 not knowing if it was worth 25 or 1250. The value of the card is easily researchable online. There is no law that will make Probstein honor the sale. It would be one thing pricing a cheap card at 20%, but not on a 1250.00 card. No one should expect to get the card mailed to them in a case like this.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

As for the BST I would PM the seller if that was correct price... Can't say though that I have ever seen that on the BST though!

About three or four years ago, there was a Titus T206 priced significantly under its value. It wasn't a $1,250 card, but IIRC the card was a couple hundred off what T206 Titus' were selling for at the time.

There was a huge thread on here about the ethics of buying the card. Many of the posters on here took the stance of "too bad for the seller."

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by rats60

Most likely the buyer did know it was a mistake. Few people buy something for 250.00 not knowing if it was worth 25 or 1250. The value of the card is easily researchable online. There is no law that will make Probstein honor the sale. It would be one thing pricing a cheap card at 20%, but not on a 1250.00 card. No one should expect to get the card mailed to them in a case like this.

+1

Agreed.

There is no way I let an item of this value walk out of my store at that price. And I have no problem telling a customer that. As a retailer, we do the best we can with prices and mistakes are made.

Reasonable errors can be resolved, however ANY customer expecting a 1250 item for 250 is being unreasonable.

[packs]

I seem to remember something about an eBay sale being a contract....

It's interesting to see people side with the seller here. If a buyer told you they bid the wrong amount by mistake I think people would be singing a different tune as to the validity of that excuse.

[Babe3Ruth3]

Originally Posted by Pat R

It's unfortunate that this is the attitude of many people in the world today.

I agree with this statement 100%.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

About three or four years ago, there was a Titus T206 priced significantly under its value. It wasn't a $1,250 card, but IIRC the card was a couple hundred off what T206 Titus' were selling for at the time.

There was a huge thread on here about the ethics of buying the card. Many of the posters on here took the stance of "too bad for the seller."

Here’s the thread: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ighlight=Titus

[Bigdaddy]

Being an engineer, I look at numbers with a discerning eye all the time. Statistics, prices, totals, etc. On a regular basis I see items priced as .99c (.99 cents). It bugs me, but I've never tried to buy the item for less than a penny and wouldn't expect a store to sell me the item for that price. Or buy a hundred for $0.99

Anyone else notice this or try to make the purchase?

[BleedinBlue]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Being an engineer, I look at numbers with a discerning eye all the time. Statistics, prices, totals, etc. On a regular basis I see items priced as .99c

Here’s a nickel. I’ll take 5. Keep the change.

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by Babe3Ruth3

I agree with this statement 100%.

^^^^^^^

agree!!!!!

[52ToppsMantle]

Mistakes happen. And if this kind of thing happened to me as a buyer with an established seller like this, I wouldn't expect to receive the card nor would I file a negative against him or her.

I couldn't have a card like that in my collection, if it had been won at the expense of others, in such a negative manner.

Honesty is the best policy.

[packs]

If a bidder told you they put in the wrong amount by mistake would you ban them from future bidding, insist they pay for the item they won, or say that's ok and relist?

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by packs

If a bidder told you they put in the wrong amount by mistake would you ban them from future bidding, insist they pay for the item they won, or say that's ok and relist?

Once again not the issue that we are dealing with. You don’t list a card by simple pushing a few numbers real quick. Check the eBay community Boards. Many people have this issue. They are not big time like probstein. And yet most shipped and took the lose. Beware of all the people here saying that integrity and honesty is not the answer. At least we see your true colors.

Don’t be confused by have to’s and should. It’s even against ebays rules to cancel the purchase. He’ll get a defect for it. People are literally standing by and saying yeah break that rule then with the same breath. Saying what’s wrong with the world today? Hahah I wonder ?

[packs]

I only ask because I've seen past conversations about bidders who hit the wrong number and the consensus is usually that people believe the person is either lying or they should pay what they bid.

My personal opinion is the card should be sold to the winner and if the consignor had an agreement with the consignment company for a sale price of $1,250, then it's the consignment company's responsibility to pay the difference to the consignor for the mistake. A sale is a sale and the price should be honored.

[rats60]

It is funny because I had a guy buy an item from me a few days ago, then sent a message saying he bought the item by mistake and wanted to cancel the purchase. I just cancelled the purchase and relisted the item. Mistakes happen, people should be understanding.

[pokerplyr80]

Most states that I'm aware of allow for price mistakes to be corrected by publishing a retraction. Quite often these are the result of an error by an advertising company and not the business some of you here would like to take advantage of. Trying to stick it to a seller for an obvious mistake is a terrible way to do business in my opinion.

[packs]

That's assuming a lot out of the buyer though. Maybe the buyer is just a person who wanted the card and found it at a price they could afford. Not everyone is out to flip, and I don't think honoring a sale is taking advantage of a seller. The consignment company should make the consignor whole while making the buyer whole as well. That's a good way to do business.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Most states that I'm aware of allow for price mistakes to be corrected by publishing a retraction. Quite often these are the result of an error by an advertising company and not the business some of you here would like to take advantage of. Trying to stick it to a seller for an obvious mistake is a terrible way to do business in my opinion.

Then why does EBay punish the seller for this infraction? Is eBay wrong to?
Breaking a direct rule in the business you have is a terrible way to do business.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by packs

That's assuming a lot out of the buyer though. Maybe the buyer is just a person who wanted the card and found it at a price they could afford. Not everyone is out to flip, and I don't think honoring a sale is taking advantage of a seller. The consignment company should make the consignor whole while making the buyer whole as well. That's a good way to do business.

Agree with this .