1909 E90-1 Cy Young — Real/Fake

[Luke]

What do you guys think about the rest of his cards? I saw the zero feedback but I thought the cards looked good. I didn't notice the Young admittedly.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

What do you guys think about the rest of his cards? I saw the zero feedback but I thought the cards looked good. I didn't notice the Young admittedly.

All bad, IMO. All exhibit similar corner wear....

[Luke]

What about this one? I won it and it hasn't shipped yet, so I can probably just get a refund if it's no good. I'll be a bit embarrassed if everyone thinks it is bad and I missed it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Could just be bias now but the red looks too bright and solid.

[bcornell]

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[asoriano]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

What about this one? I won it and it hasn't shipped yet, so I can probably just get a refund if it's no good. I'll be a bit embarrassed if everyone thinks it is bad and I missed it.

Take a gamble, Luke. I vote real.

[Jobu]

Not all E90 Youngs have background shading like the examples posted earlier in this thread. For example, assuming PSA didn't slab a reprint:

http://milehighcardco.com/1909_e90_1...-lot39204.aspx

It wouldn't take a whole lot of editing to fix the horrible picture used in the Ebay listing to make it look pretty good. I also wonder why anyone would make a misregistered reprint, that seems a little too sneaky (though not impossible - bring on the scans of the misregistered reprints!!). The 0 feedback score is worrisome, but with a 14-day return policy you can mail one of these to PSA or SGC and know before the 14 days are up if you need to start your return through Ebay.

I should add that I don't have any e95s/e90s so take the above with a grain of salt.

[bcornell]

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[Jobu]

I also should have added that there are a number of red flags like this one, the 0 feedback , etc.

Luke, if you don't try to cancel the sale I suggest taking a clear video of the entire outside of the package to show it is sealed and open it all without letting anything leave the shot. At least that way you can prove what was in the box and that you don't get one of those rough T205s instead. Can't be too safe.

Originally Posted by bcornell

"THIS CARD IS ONE OF A GROUP OF CARDS THAT HAVE BEEN IN MY FAMILY FOR YEARS"

Allow me to belabor the point. Does anyone on this forum believe this is true? Just one person, that's all I ask.

There have been thousands of threads that make fun of bad cards on eBay. This one should join them, trust me.

[chaddurbin]

it's not cut and dry as some of you are making it out to be. i agree with bill they are definitely not the mass produced dark color oven baked variety...but i also agree with robert i would like to see the young in a more natural lighting. the washed out colors could just be a bad scan (or a very good home made copy).

his e95 cobb looks real to me, but from feedback and some questionable stuff i would like to see them in person. a couple look kinda weird, but a few are 100% good to me.

edit: checking his ended auctions the t206 mathewson and e95 cicotte is 100% good...of course in my opinion (since i'm an auto guy now giving my opinion to their authenticty).

[ctownboy]

Why couldn't the seller be salting his auctions with low dollar but REAL cards and high dollar fakes?

David

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Not all E90 Youngs have background shading like the examples posted earlier in this thread. For example, assuming PSA didn't slab a reprint:

http://milehighcardco.com/1909_e90_1...-lot39204.aspx

It wouldn't take a whole lot of editing to fix the horrible picture used in the Ebay listing to make it look pretty good. I also wonder why anyone would make a misregistered reprint, that seems a little too sneaky (though not impossible - bring on the scans of the misregistered reprints!!). The 0 feedback score is worrisome, but with a 14-day return policy you can mail one of these to PSA or SGC and know before the 14 days are up if you need to start your return through Ebay.

I should add that I don't have any e95s/e90s so take the above with a grain of salt.

The vast majority at least that I have seen and now see on a search have that shading. Why would some, presumably manufactured by the same process, not have it?

[chaddurbin]

you guys should go back to arguing about whether jackie robinson is a hof'er and stop trolling the OP...it's a nice young OP i expect some late biddings don't think you'd be getting it for $800 listed price.

[rjackson44]

terrible looks like a topps chrome card smiles

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

What about this one? I won it and it hasn't shipped yet, so I can probably just get a refund if it's no good. I'll be a bit embarrassed if everyone thinks it is bad and I missed it.

Personally I wouldn't trust any raw vintage card from a seller who is listing obvious fakes and trying to pass them off as real cards. Add in the 0 feedback and there is no way I take this gamble. And I like to gamble. The payoff isn't high enough and it doesn't seem worth the shipping and grading fees to find out. My advice would be to back out if you can.

[53Browns]

What's even more disturbing is the Cobb has $800 inactive bids. This guy must be rubbing his hands together saying "Suckas!"

[53Browns]

I meant "in active bids"

[T206Collector]

I vote bad seller with scans of real cards. Whether he has them and would (could) send them to a buyer is anyone's guess. But, I don't see any fakes.

With respect to the Young, the corners are not "uniformly rounded" particularly when you look at the reverse. In addition, the dot matrix pattern on the face is a strong indicator of genuineness. Reprints do not capture the black newsprint dots. There is definitely something off about the seller, but it may just be an old time collector listing his cards for the first time on eBay. If Luke gets his E95 Young, I believe he will be very happy with it!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

All bad, IMO. All exhibit similar corner wear....

That's what I noticed about his T206s. Every one is worn in the same manner and to the same degree.