NHL players (post 1970) that do not belong in the hockey Hall Of Fame?

[howard38]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I remember reading that Craig Ramsey is the last player to go an entire season without committing a single penalty.

Ahh...that's the non-hall of famer Butch meant. Better offensive player than the other two & on par defensively but like my guy, Tkaczuk, Ramsey never won a Stanley Cup. Strangely, while Gainey was elevated by his teammates, Ramsey seemed to be overshadowed by his (the French Connection line of Martin, Perrault & Robert).

[Butch7999]

Very good, lads. Yes, the stat lines are, in order, top to bottom,
Gainey (HOF despite a minus player in many of his seasons by properly adjusted +/- ),
Ramsay (8 straight 20+ goal campaigns, 8 straight 50+ points, 787 consecutive games played, 0 PIM in 1973-74),
and Carbonneau (HOF -- just, "why"?).
Ramsay was not just on par with anyone else defensively, he was better by miles.
Look again at his +/- totals, noting also that he played 90 to 240 fewer games than
the other two.

Agreed, Tkaczuk was criminally underrated. The team you're on means so much. 1975-79 Canadiens were indeed
probably the greatest team(s) ever, but c'mon, not every guy on those clubs rates as a Hall of Famer.

[Kevin]

“But Chris Nilan scored 20 goals one year skating with Guy Carbonneau!!!” - every Habs fan ever.

[Kevin]

Goring AND Ramsay were definitely better than Carbonneau. Rank these players:

Gainey
Goring
Carbonneau
Ramsay

Who are you picking first?

[howard38]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Goring AND Ramsay were definitely better than Carbonneau. Rank these players:

Gainey
Goring
Carbonneau
Ramsay

Who are you picking first?

Ramsey
Goring
Gainey
Carbonneau

[Shoeless Moe]

Lindros

[irv]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Lindros

I disagree. He was a force out there and averaged 1.23 points per game, or 1.36 with Philly, and only behind Jagr at the time. The only thing missing from his resume is a Stanley Cup but considering how he was a complete player, who had a target on his back who always had to fight but still managed 865 points in 760 games, I think he is more than worthy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-oKfMuqLf0

[strohman99]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Lindros

I'm with you on this on! I know he had a few solid seasons, but he was built up to be one of the all time greats.

Refusing to play for Quebec really turned me off too. Always had the attitude that he was an elite player before he played many games.

Even his best seasons weren't elite when compared to other guys his size in the 90's. I never thought he would get in to the HOF!

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Goring AND Ramsay were definitely better than Carbonneau. Rank these players:

Gainey
Goring
Carbonneau
Ramsay

Who are you picking first?

It was you that asked the question.

[mortimer brewster]

Originally Posted by howard38

Ahh...that's the non-hall of famer Butch meant. Better offensive player than the other two & on par defensively but like my guy, Tkaczuk, Ramsey never won a Stanley Cup. Strangely, while Gainey was elevated by his teammates, Ramsey seemed to be overshadowed by his (the French Connection line of Martin, Perrault & Robert).

French Connection was all about flash. They would rack up points against the lesser teams. Rammer Luce and Gare went up against opponents top line and never saw any power play time. Ramsay was a plus player every season he was in the league which was amazing considering his defensive responsibilities. He won the Selke his final season. Not bad for a man who could barely walk due to chronic back problems.

The highlight of Tkaczuk's career was the 1972 Cup finals. He dominated Phil Esposito. Kept him goalless for the entire series which was a major accomplishment. Tkaczuk would have won his Cup had Jean Ratelle not suffered a fractured ankle.

Tkaczuk's play declined (along with the ranger team as a whole) starting in 74-75. He was the subject of trade rumors but he had a hefty salary that couldn't be moved. His career was revived in the late 1970's and had several more solid seasons.

Canadiens of the 1970's are like Lombardi's Green Bay Packers. Just put the time in and you will eventually get into the Hall of Fame.

[mortimer brewster]

I don't really follow who gets inducted into the various sports Hall of Fame anymore. The Hall should be reserved for individuals who make outstanding contributions to their sport either as a player or a builder and if 10 years go by before adding new members so be it. Too much bloat.

Should Guy Carbonneau be in the same shrine as Bobby Orr?

Maybe add different tiers - Orr would be in the Platinum Tier, Carbonneau the aluminium tier

[Kevin]

He was the baddest man in the league; despite being the best fighter in the league (despite his Behn Wilson record), he never accrued over 100 PIM in any season. He had three 30+ goal seasons prior to Bossy's arrival.

He was the best power forward in the league from 76-83. Created space for that line. To boot, he basically ended Dave Schultz run as "most feared man in league".

As mentioned above, if the likes of Carbonneau and Federko (who I really, really liked) are in, Gillies goes in ahead of both of them.