Need advice ASAP on PSA ticket grading

[Shoeless Moe]

Many graded authentic are better then ones graded 1, 2, 3, 4 etc.

On their form you have the choice to just get it graded as Authentic.

Some people just want it known that its not a fake, reprint, etc. Thus they say just code it Authentic, and don't care if its a 1 or 5.

So pretty sure many graded Authentic are in much better shape then ones with grades.

You can go on Ebay and see a near perfect ticket and it will say
authentic not have a 1 2 or 7.

There is no uniform grading in tickets, they just have a seat filler doing the job.

And the purpose of the ticket and ticket stub collecting is the event, and the fact that someone with the ticket saw the event. So you could have a perfectly mint stub go for way more for one that had creases, and the perfect one, never saw the inside of the stadium that day. I'll take the creased one that was there.

[stlcardinalsfan]

You are misinformed or just haven't seen enough tickets to know. The grading is actually pretty consistent by PSA in tickets. What is tough is that they grade the tickets just like the baseball cards. TICKETS ARE RARE... Very few remain in good shape. I always care about the grade if it is a three or higher, that is a beautiful vintage ticket. Newer tickets, I really don't care (meaning I don't value an 8 more than a ten, but very few others do). I have submitted thousands of tickets to PSA. I have also sold thousands ungraded. I am not submitting these tickets because I think they are not real. I am submitting them so they can be sold at auction, displayed with what happens at the game i.e. Historic games are nice to have on the flip. (True tickets graded authentic may have been able to receive a numeric grade but they also may have been trimmed with scissors)

An example of the importance of the flip would be the 1921 World Series. 95% of you reading this are historians but wont know what happened in games 1-5. Two of those games are worth way more than the other games. If they were in a holder even my 12 year old son could figure out which two games are the most valuable.
The poster was correct on slabbing the called shot ticket. Now 100% of the population knows what happened in that game when they look at the ticket instead of less than 20% of the population.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

And the purpose of the ticket and ticket stub collecting is the event, and the fact that someone with the ticket saw the event. So you could have a perfectly mint stub go for way more for one that had creases, and the perfect one, never saw the inside of the stadium that day. I'll take the creased one that was there.

Absolutely! I don't understand the fascination with complete tickets that were never anywhere near the event in question. I'll take the torn stub that was in a fan's pocket.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by stlcardinalsfan

An example of the importance of the flip would be the 1921 World Series. 95% of you reading this are historians but wont know what happened in games 1-5. Two of those games are worth way more than the other games. If they were in a holder even my 12 year old son could figure out which two games are the most valuable.
The poster was correct on slabbing the called shot ticket. Now 100% of the population knows what happened in that game when they look at the ticket instead of less than 20% of the population.

Complete nonsense. If you don't know what happened in Game 3 of the 1932 WS, then you have absolutely no interest in the stub--slabbed or unslabbed. Only a small segment of the population has any interest in that stub--or any vintage baseball artifact--to begin with. And certainly not because PSA put a label on it.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

People can be idiots. Those idiots help fund my hobby, so I'm not going to complain.

Gee... You sound like a certain Presidential candidate. (When he thinks no one is listening.)

[FourStrikes]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Complete nonsense. If you don't know what happened in Game 3 of the 1932 WS, then you have absolutely no interest in the stub--slabbed or unslabbed. Only a small segment of the population has any interest in that stub--or any vintage baseball artifact--to begin with. And certainly not because PSA put a label on it.

precisely, David...

knowledge is power.

JMO

well done.

DS

[stlcardinalsfan]

Great for you two experts that just commented.. Without googling.. My ideal example is which two games are the most expense tickets of the 1921 World Series games 1-5...

I am not advertising for PSA their turn around time for tickets is terrible and it absolutely doesn't pay to grade a ticket that is less than $100....

[FourStrikes]

Originally Posted by stlcardinalsfan

Great for you two experts that just commented.. Without googling.. My ideal example is which two games are the most expense tickets of the 1921 World Series games 1-5...

I am not advertising for PSA their turn around time for tickets is terrible and it absolutely doesn't pay to grade a ticket that is less than $100....

my comment has absolutely NOTHING to do with the time frame - YOUR opinion is fine, and certainly respected! - I'd love to have one of these tickets if the price was right (o/w greatly undervalued or priced - IF I happened to run across one, 'cuz I a cheap MFer)!!! incidentally, I'm certainly no "expert" , and I definitely appreciate your (and others) desire to have tickets, etc. - encapsulated/preserved for aesthetic or future value purposes...apologies IF my reply pi$$ed YOU (stlcardinalsfan) off, but I was actually replying to david's response, of which I wholeheartedly agree - I respect ALL opinions, particularly when a quote such as "slabbed or unslabbed... Only a small segment of the population has any interest in that stub--or any vintage baseball artifact--to begin with. And certainly not because PSA put a label on it..." is attributed to a knowledgable/well-meaning member - and it's MY belief - based on what I've seen if I recall correctly - YOU are one as well...again, JMO although - perhaps in MY case at least: opinions are like a$$holes.

NO hard feelings, stlcardinalsfan and anybody else - who MAY be pi$$ed off with my replies - happy collecting!

xo
ME

[stlcardinalsfan]

You didn't really make me mad. I just want to make sure that people know that Psa is good for stating the event of the game. For example 1937 gam4 is Gehrig last World Series homerun, 1937 game five is the Yankees clincher, 1956 game five is a Larsen perfect game, 1956 game seven is a Yankee clincher as well as Jackie Robinson's last game, 1951 game one World Series ticket is Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle's world series debut 1951 game 2 Mickey Mantle slips on a drain and hurt his knee 1951 game six is a Yankees clincher 1952 game one Jackie Robinson hit a homerun 1952 game six was mantles World Series first homerun 1952 game seven is mantles second career homerun and a clincher. It took me 30 seconds to type this and I know what happened in the games but the majority of people even if they are baseball fans have no idea. When people look at these tickets (not slabbed) they just look at the face value and think it's cool. many dealers and casual baseball fans since they aren't dealing with tickets every day make these mistakes commonly. I can give example for a ticket collector picked up a 1952 game seven Mickey Mantle second World Series homerun it's probably worth close to 750-$1000 for $100 because the gentleman had it marked "52 World Series Dodgers ticket"... That was bought at this years national... That is why I advocate for holdering/ grading your expensive stubs.... Yours truly Jamie Burzynski
By the way the ugly called shot ticket that was ripped at the top that got a Psa 2 with the program was given that grade because Psa deemed that rip as a poor ushers tear...if the gentleman did get a 3 on his called shot, that again was graded fairly... I say that because if I recall the ticket when I was looking at it initially (thinking about bidding on it) I thought it would grade a 3.... Here is a good nugget for those of you that care... If you can see any kind of crease on your ticket no matter the age (even 1920s) that ticket shouldn't get over a 4.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Gee... You sound like a certain Presidential candidate. (When he thinks no one is listening.)

I'm one of those idiots too. I own graded cards. Everyone in this forum either collects cardboard, old paper or pen scribbles made by dead men. There is very little room (if any) for an intellectual high ground.

Members were making a claim that plastic covered cardboard is less valuable than plastic-free cardboard. I provided evidence to the contrary. The general public prefers their cardboard covered in plastic. Why? Who cares.

[Leon]

My personal opinion is I think giving a ticket a grade doesn't accomplish anything. It's a ticket. It's a 2 or a 3, really? Why not a 4?
If you want to encase it, go ahead. But grading it, Who the heck cares as long as it looks good? That all said, if when going to sell it, I can get more than my grading fee back by doing it, then I would do it. It just makes cents.

[stlcardinalsfan]

I agree completely Leon!!!

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by Leon

My personal opinion is I think giving a ticket a grade doesn't accomplish anything. It's a ticket. It's a 2 or a 3, really? Why not a 4?
If you want to encase it, go ahead. But grading it, Who the heck cares as long as it looks good? That all said, if when going to sell it, I can get more than my grading fee back by doing it, then I would do it. It just makes cents.

Or sense...

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by stlcardinalsfan

The grading is actually pretty consistent by PSA in tickets.

By consistent, you obviously mean consistently wrong....calling Game 5 of the 1919 WS, Game 3, thus getting it wrong for your 12 year old son who only goes by the flip.

For those who don't know pretty much prior to 1920 (I could be off by a couple years) some home teams in the WS would just label their ticket 1,2,3,4 for home games, not the game number of the Series. So the 3 on the Sox Ticket was for home game # 3 of the Series for them, not the 3rd overall game. Thus 1st 2 being played in Cincy, made Game 3, White Sox home game # 1. So home game # 3 was actually Game 5 of the Series.

Originally Posted by stlcardinalsfan

You are misinformed or just haven't seen enough tickets to know.

But I just have not seen enough tickets to know.......PSA are the experts : )

[Shoeless Moe]

...hey 1 out 3 ain't bad. PSA batting .333 - Now how would you like your son to bring home a 33% on a test.

[Shoeless Moe]

also riddle me this genius of the lamp.....take a look at that 1st 1919 ticket they got wrong, and it's graded "Authentic", but that sure looks like a 2 to me, I mean a 4, no wait a 3.....could be 5, no it's a 2..................or is it a 3?

Your telling me this one is Authentic while the one below it with paper loss is a 3??????? and that brutal 1932 one is a 2...oh yah they are consistent.


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[stlcardinalsfan]

Your picking one game out of thousands of games that PSA has graded. Yes that ticket was mislabeled and actually I believe went through a large auction house and they didn't catch it....A ticket that was the clincher for this series with another from Cincinnati brought 16000 for the pair because I and a couple of individuals absolutely knew that PSA made a mistake. Do you think it would be more likely mislabeled by PSA or another baseball specialist selling it as raw. Apparently the owner of the ticket didn't know it was game 5 either or they would have had PSA correct the slab. You haven't done anything to enlighten/ educate the readers to why you correctly were able to label the ticket as a game 5. It is a game 5 ticket because the World Series prior to 1919 had the home game on the ticket not the correct World Series game (so that whitesox ticket was valid for home game 3 which was game 5 of the series.).
PSA STATING WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THAT GAME (THE FLIP) HELPS SELL, DISPLAY, & EDUCATE THE POPULATION and has advanced the price and popularity of tickets.

If you handed a stack of (4) 1960 Boston tickets to board members with various dates and 1 dated 9/28/1960 and said what are these worth. They wouldn't get up to the price of the one ticket September 28, 1960 that you sold holdered for $500 (which was a very fair price) I wish I would have bought it, because they wouldn't have know the significance of the 9/28/1960'game.

I am collecting all 4 Koufax no hitters/ perfect game tickets (please email me if you have one to sell). I couldn't pick any of them out of a stack of Dodgers tickets. I can't even tell you what years he completed the task, but if someone holdered that ticket with a PSA label I would immediately spot it in their showcase... IN A PSA HOLDER...MANY KOUFAX FANS, TICKET COLLECTORS,MEMORABILIA COLLECTORS, CARD COLLECTORS ARE NOW SECURE THAT IS THE GAME THAT KOUFAX THREW A No HITTER AND THAT TICKET IS ORIGINAL.

[Shoeless Moe]

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[stlcardinalsfan]

was your ticket from 1961 or 1960. The PSA slab says 1960 but you say 1961. People make mistakes (even REA) Your mistake wasn't a big deal and most didn't notice it and your ticket still sold (GLAD PSA DIDN'T HAVE A TYPO) You have intelligently stated why you dislike PSA . Some tickets I send to PSA and some I don't. I get frustrated by them, but I am glad they are in business. I can choose to use them or not. They are going to make mistakes, but they do try to correct them. Their turn around time is too slow but I still appreciate their business. For the record I too don't care if a ticket is a two or three as long as it looks nice. If it is graded a four or better. I KNOW ITS NICE

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

For Sale

Rare ticket stub from Ted Williams' final game on September 28, 1961, at Fenway Park. Ted Williams' final game took many people by surprise. While everyone knew that the 1960 season was to be his last, everyone assumed he would close out his career during the club's final three-game series at Yankee Stadium. Instead, Williams received permission from the club to skip the final road trip, meaning his final game would take place against the Baltimore Orioles at Fenway Park on September 28th. With no official announcement made regarding Williams' decision, it's no wonder that only about 10,000 showed up to witness history that day. Williams' final at bat took came in the eighth inning and even Hollywood could not have come up with a better ending. Years later Curt Gowdy, longtime broadcaster for the Red Sox who called the game that day, recounted the drama of "Teddy Ballgame's" goodbye: "His last time up, there were maybe 10,000 people at Fenway. It was a cold, gray day. He ran the count to 2-and-2. Jack Fisher threw him a letter-high fastball and Ted hit it high and far and it landed in the right-field grandstand. He rounded the bases with his head down as he always did, crossed the plate and ran into the dugout. The fans were screaming for him to take a bow, but he never did so. When Carroll Hardy replaced Williams in left field in the top of the ninth inning, one of the greatest chapters in baseball history came to an official close. This rare ticket commemorates that memorable finale and is one of only a few to surface.

Only 7 graded by PSA!!!!

Ungraded REA sold for $1659 in 2012

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...2012/1094.html


$500 shipped

[Shoeless Moe]

Mine was a typo in a thread. They are paid to get it right, and it's on the product they provide, BIG difference. On the product I sold everything was correct. They have a history of making errors on the service they provide.

And you still have failed to address the Authentic 1919 ticket vs the PSA 3 ticket. Crack the Authentic one out of its slab and put it in the same auction as the one marked PSA 3, which gets the better price?

[stlcardinalsfan]

The one that you cracked out of the holder as long as the auction house will take the ticket (outside of the PSA holder). Some auction houses won't take a high priced ticket without PSA or SGC authentication. Many times if my ticket is going to score a 1 or a 2 I do click the Box for authentic only. I would rather have an authentic ticket instead of a 1. I do believe that some people not real familiar with tickets might not bid on the high priced 1919 world series ticket because they are afraid it is a reproduction.

[Shoeless Moe]

There's no need for the PSA holder with it. I'm talking just the 2 tickets at a major auction house, one , the authentic one shown all by its lonesome self vs the PSA 3 shown as well, which does better?


and here are examples of tickets without holders doing just fine:

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...2008/1209.html

https://sports.ha.com/itm/boxing/191...ription-071515

[Shoeless Moe]

oh wait sorry just re-read your post so you did say the one without the holder. Thanks, that's all I needed to know.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by perezfan

But who's to say those eight are really even 'better'? It depends largely upon which person graded it, and other random factors.

I honestly couldn't tell whether Quan's comment was serious or sarcastic.

yeah hes sarcastic a lot but i blocked him so i dont need a rosetta stone to make any future determinations. Your forum experience will also increase multi-fold.