New to this, confused about PSA

[Trl3789]

So I don't do a ton of posting on these boards, but I am on everyday reading and trying to learn as much as possible. From what I've seen since I've been a member, Nate is right in stating that what seems to be a consistent concern is PSA's ability to be consistent and accurate with their grading.

So, Nate, you can count me in.

-Tucker

[npa589]

Thanks - I think this is something that many on this board would say "Yea, that sounds good - but not realistic." I suppose that's how all seemingly impossible tasks start. I know a lot of collectors who, with great reluctance, submit to PSA - only because they know people pay higher for them.

I tell you what - if SGC wanted to do something bold as a business, they should create a promotion that gives like a 50%-75% discount on crossover cards from PSA. You want to start to really challenge PSA, SGC? Then actually try to challenge them. It seems like collectors, SGC, and the like have ventured, though with great reluctance, to a resting place of reluctant satisfaction. The "what's the point anymore" idea.

I suppose you and I are just to "young" within this whole Vintage card thing. I would love to hear thoughts from the incredibly experienced collectors in here. I'm just an errand boy compared to most of the people in here. The experienced, master collectors are the ones that can make the big dents in PSA.


Again, NET54 has probably the biggest sway of any forum out there to actually make a dent in business for PSA, and help SGC.

It's like McDonalds (PSA) and Chick-fil-A (SGC). I think that analogy may speak for itself. Everything about Chick-fil-A is better....everything, save the iced tea or coffee .... (maybe), yet people keep going to McDonalds - getting hurt everytime.

Ok, back to teaching.

Originally Posted by Trl3789

So I don't do a ton of posting on these boards, but I am on everyday reading and trying to learn as much as possible. From what I've seen since I've been a member, Nate is right in stating that what seems to be a consistent concern is PSA's ability to be consistent and accurate with their grading.

So, Nate, you can count me in.

-Tucker

[glchen]

I don't think you're going to see too many big PSA set collectors crossover to SGC. See this horror story: Linky

I'm not taking a side in the above thread. The point is if you have a lot of cards invested in PSA at certain grades, you don't want to crossover to SGC at lower grades. And you don't want your set to be half SGC / half PSA, with those cards staying in PSA that don't make the minimum grade. And if SGC guarantees that PSA cards will crossover to SGC at the same grade or better (minus obvious misgrades) kinda like how PSA does their half point reviews, you will melting point anger the SGC core constituency, who will believe SGC is now letting in a bunch of overgraded cards into their pops.

The fact is both PSA and SGC have core fans who strongly follow that TPG for one reason or the other. For myself, more of my collection is in PSA these days, but I still submit to SGC regularly (probably once every couple months or so). I don't think either TPG is going away or falling into GAI-like circumstances. Just choose whichever TPG you want or both.

[npa589]

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[glchen]

Good question. I'm not sure. Usually for crossovers, you put the same grade as the original holder for Min Grade. So if your card in BVG was 3 (VG), you would put 3 for the minimum grade. (If you absolutely want the card out of the original holder (but want to ensure PSA would slab it), you can put a lower minimum grade than the original holder.

Saying that, I'm not quite sure about the qualifers, since the PSA flip would have the MK qualifier on it. Not sure a BVG 3 would equal a PSA 3 MK. I think SGC lowers the grade slightly for qualifiers since they don't put qualifers on the flip. I would assume Beckett does the same.

[npa589]

Yes, Beckett does the same.

Most of them are BVG 3, and would be (should be) PSA 5. Some have Centering 8, corners 4, Edges 8, surface 2. They might be PSA 6 (MK), but at worst they should be PSA 5 (MK).

I guess I'm just worried about putting something, and paying them to grade it, but not having it graded because it doesn't meet the MIN grade that I wrote.

If they don't end up slabbing it, for whatever reason, do you still have to pay them the 15$ a card?