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Old 12-05-2018, 03:52 PM
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I was looking through SCP and came across this Ruth:

https://catalog.scpauctions.com/bids...e?itemid=44767

I am starting to pay attention to American Caramel cards and am trying to figure out the lay of the land a bit. I haven't seen very many E122 come up for sale but I also don't see a lot that talks about how difficult this set is relative to the others. Can anyone point me toward any good resources?

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(Disclaimer: This is not my card and I have no idea who consigned it.)
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Old 12-05-2018, 03:57 PM
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E122's are tough! Much tougher than e121. That one's really nice for the grade...tiny bit o back damage dings it! Here's mine...NFS.
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:02 PM
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Awesome card and super rare. Paperless knocks down the grade I guess. Curious how many more e121 vs 122 on pop report? I am sure there’s huge separation in the numbers .
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:31 PM
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Without looking at the pop reports I would guess it would be something around 20 to 1 ratio E121 to E122 cards.

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I'd ask glchen, he seems to have a very good read on most early sets and cards featuring the Babe.
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Without looking at the pop reports I would guess it would be something around 20 to 1 ratio E121 to E122 cards.

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17 E122's graded (9 psa, 8 sgc)
131 E121 graded (68/63
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Correct me if I am wrong, but the W575-1 Ruth from 1922 is even more rare. And the E121 George Ruth variation from 1921 may have the W575-1 beat rarity wise.
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17 E122's graded (9 psa, 8 sgc)
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Are these amounts including both E121 Series of 80 and Series of 120 cards?

Just realized that there are no Ruth 'throwing' cards in the E121 Series set, so never mind.

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Old 12-05-2018, 05:40 PM
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Trust me. The E122 set is the least encountered of the 1920's American & National Caramel sets. This is one set even I never tried to complete.
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Are these amounts including both E121 Series of 80 and Series of 120 cards?

Just realized that there are no Ruth 'throwing' cards in the E121 Series set, so never mind.

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HAHA...I learned that too!!!! And I also realized series 120 was considered 1922...I did not know that!
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Bryan, if my sums are correct (it's late, and I'm tired), the combined PSA & SGC pop reports show the following totals for all players in each of these American Caramel sets:

E121 (both series) - 7,199 cards
E122 - 275 cards
E126 - 841 cards

So, it appears that it should be easy for you to complete an E122 set.
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Nice cards, Val. I think I have seen more mistaken identities of these than most other cards. Many times, especially by folks outside of the hobby but also some insiders, they are labeled E121.

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Bryan, if my sums are correct (it's late, and I'm tired), the combined PSA & SGC pop reports show the following totals for all players in each of these American Caramel sets:

E121 (both series) - 7,199 cards
E122 - 275 cards
E126 - 841 cards

So, it appears that it should be easy for you to complete an E122 set.
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Thanks for all of the info guys, that is helpful. Is E122 tough enough to be one of those sets where we might not have a complete checklist?
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Set is next to impossible! I have needed 8 cards for Ions.....

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Thanks for all of the info guys, that is helpful. Is E122 tough enough to be one of those sets where we might not have a complete checklist?
I added a Jennings I think to the checklist last year? I think it was Jennings.
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Thanks Dan - I almost posted that I thought you added one to this recently but I wasn't sure if I had the set wrong. The back says series of 80 - did Jennings make 80 or are we still a few short?

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I could see confusing it with an E220
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Correct me if I am wrong, but the W575-1 Ruth from 1922 is even more rare. And the E121 George Ruth variation from 1921 may have the W575-1 beat rarity wise.
I'm not sure how many George ones are out there. I'm thrilled to own the one I do. I may have the lowest condition one there is but I got one!

I think I remember hearing maybe 5 or less on the George 1921 E121-80 variations? Anyone have an accurate count on confirmed copies?
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i'm not sure how many george ones are out there. I'm thrilled to own the one i do. I may have the lowest condition one there is but i got one!

I think i remember hearing maybe 5 or less on the george 1921 e121-80 variations? Anyone have an accurate count on confirmed copies?
6 psa; 5 sgc
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6 psa; 5 sgc
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I think I remember seeing an old auction description mentioning 3 or 4, but it was an old auction. I wonder what could be crossovers and/or mislabeled cards though too?
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Damm sweet card. Thought final hammer was a good buy for someone.
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So, 6 in total.
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I agree, for the apparent rarity and eye appeal of that card, I was thinking the price might be a little higher.

Thanks to everyone for the input so far - hopefully it will continue.


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I agree, for the apparent rarity and eye appeal of that card, I was thinking the price might be a little higher.

Thanks to everyone for the input so far - hopefully it will continue.
Maybe the notch of paper loss on Ruth’s neck had something to do with it. Many collectors, including myself, won’t tolerate paper loss around the facial area. Especially when you are coughing up $20K.
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Maybe the notch of paper loss on Ruth’s neck had something to do with it. Many collectors, including myself, won’t tolerate paper loss around the facial area. Especially when you are coughing up $20K.
pretty strong price in my opinion in light of the corner ding and the neck paper loss?
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actually it appears numerous examples(including mine) have apparent paper loss in that neck area...im wondering if its a print defect of some kind?
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I think this is correct - the white neck spot appears to be part of the printing, not paper loss.

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I think this is correct - the white neck spot appears to be part of the printing, not paper loss.
but only on some examples.
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Which cards in American Caramel series have blank backs?
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