Hey, pennant guys

[bocca001]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Yeah, Marc, we need you to spray the whole thing with Retro-Clean and report back with results.

Seriously, the way it did not ruin the blue/gray felt makes me think it might be the perfect stuff for an old, red, heavily stained NY Giants pennant I own.

If you use this stuff, you probably need to cover/avoid any paint (or at least test the paint for color fastness by rubbing a small area of the paint with a Q-tip soaked in the detergent). Like I said, it took off the offwhite paint coat from the Oilers helmet on contact (just one drip). I think that coat had mostly yellow in it. And, when I soaked the fabric close enough to get near the red, the red started to bleed.

This pennant seemed to be especially prone to bleeding paint. I dipped a Q-tip with water and rubbed it on the red and the red started to come off.

But, like I said, I was impressed with how well it got out the brown, foxing, rusty spots and how quickly it did it. I think I had the detergent mix on it for 5 minutes at most (I spooned it on to the felt areas to try to avoid paint). It also brightened up the blue fabric. The hard part is cleaning all of blue fabric that is between the graphics/letters.

[bocca001]

Once I set up an area to take pictures, I decided to take some pictures. So, here are:

SF Giants:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/3asA1U9ieVAa8fqYA

SF 49ers:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/EJMz8fH2goMc7afWA

Houston Oilers:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ebrG4CcAG2xoCM54A

[ooo-ribay]

Great stuff, Marc! Interesting that the Niners basically used two colors, while the Giants are all over the color spectrum.

[thetahat]

Finished inventory of a few more teams, came across this ... didn’t we earlier discuss Cubs and Giants pennants with the same cookie-cutter ballpark graphic?

This has to be a knock-off company ... the graphics/style are similar to Trench of the time period ... and maybe copying the stadium graphic would be too close to copyright infringement. Who knows ...

[bocca001]

Here is the Giants with the same stadium. Kyle suggested that it may be Busch stadium.

[thetahat]

In addition to grouping pics by teams my eventual goal is to group by style/maker, with the help of Mr. Domer’s excellent research. Stadium pennants, scroll pennants, etc. I think even a collaboration could be in order? Book?

Anyway, here’s what I have in Keezer pennants. I suspect that I have a couple others .... eventually I’ll post them and see what y’all think. Keezers have a fairly distinct style (double stitched, mostly heavy felt but some cloth, thick tassels, one color print), many are stamped on the back but not all

https://photos.app.goo.gl/CWTmDnbHaHL2XPqDA

[ooo-ribay]

I don’t see any photos.

If I already had 100 Giants pictures, how long would it take to make a Google album?

[thetahat]

UGH I will fix it … okay now it's fixed. I have some difficulty going from phone to laptop, for some reason …

There are a few teams I am missing, and of course many teams have multiple versions. Not really anxious to "complete the set" although I'd like to find the Browns. I have a mini Keezer Browns but not fullsize.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by thetahat

In addition to grouping pics by teams my eventual goal is to group by style/maker, with the help of Mr. Domer’s excellent research. Stadium pennants, scroll pennants, etc. I think even a collaboration could be in order? Book?

Anyway, here’s what I have in Keezer pennants. I suspect that I have a couple others .... eventually I’ll post them and see what y’all think. Keezers have a fairly distinct style (double stitched, mostly heavy felt but some cloth, thick tassels, one color print), many are stamped on the back but not all.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/CWTmDnbHaHL2XPqDA

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I don’t see any photos.

If I already had 100 Giants pictures, how long would it take to make a Google album?

Rob ... really easy. All you need is a gmail account. Probably 5-10 minutes to add the pics

[bocca001]

Rob- I just downloaded the googlephotos app to do mine. Using it was easy. Create an album and then select the photos you want to go into it from those that are already on your computer/phone. If you already have the pictures, it should go pretty quickly. You can then send a link to the album to anyone (I sent it to myself and then pasted the link).

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Finished inventory of a few more teams, came across this ... didn’t we earlier discuss Cubs and Giants pennants with the same cookie-cutter ballpark graphic?

This has to be a knock-off company ... the graphics/style are similar to Trench of the time period ... and maybe copying the stadium graphic would be too close to copyright infringement. Who knows ...

Interesting theory. That makes sense, actually. Whether they were trying to avoid a lawsuit, or just being lazy, it's clear whoever made this series phoned in the artwork.

Frankly, how they could label that stadium as "Wrigley Field" of all places is a crime against humanity.

The text on this Mets pennant resembles the text layout that ASCO used in the 1970s. Is the spine exactly 1" wide on these, I wonder? If so, it likely is by ASCO ... in which case, nobody should be surprised that they phoned in a pennant design

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Anyway, here’s what I have in Keezer pennants. I suspect that I have a couple others .... eventually I’ll post them and see what y’all think. Keezers have a fairly distinct style (double stitched, mostly heavy felt but some cloth, thick tassels, one color print), many are stamped on the back but not all.

Is my first picture not a Keezer? It's not stamped but I thought someone had attributed it to Keezer. The second is Marc's "seen one and only once" pennant. Gotta be a Keezer.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Is my first picture not a Keezer? It's not stamped but I thought someone had attributed it to Keezer. The second is Marc's "seen one and only once" pennant. Gotta be a Keezer.

Both are definitely Keezer. The second one is from their latest series.

[bocca001]

And the second one has the Keezer stamp.

[thetahat]

Of the Keezers I have in my album, about half have the stamp. I have a Senators with stamp and Nationals without. Both pennants are identical except for name.

[ooo-ribay]

Damn, I want that “second Keezer”!

[bocca001]

Hey ooo-ribay. Did you say that you have a red one of these? If so, can you post a pic?

[Fballguy]

Picked up this post card because of the pennant theme. "Joe Kosyan's Pennant Buffet" in Quincy, Illinois. Sounds like our kind of place. 1920s give or take. All barstools have been removed so maybe during Prohibition. Also see Pro-Women's Voting pennants too which would place it around the 20s. I spot an early White Sox pennant around the upper middle of the postcard. Anyone have that one? Hard to make out any others.

Kyle...You ever stumble across this place during your research?

Edit...This shot is from the 1910's as I found one on Google dated April 7, 1916.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Kyle...You ever stumble across this place during your research?

Edit...This shot is from the 1910's as I found one on Google dated April 7, 1916.

Awesome post card, and yes, I actually came across the same post card in a book dedicated to screen printing a while back.

It's an especially interesting piece because the photo is colorized. Not sure exactly how they did that back in the 1910s, but I think the photographer had to add the colors post-development of the original B/W exposure, by hand? If so ... makes you wonder how accurate the colors depicted are to the real thing.

And, although my wife generally isn't a big fan of buffets, I would totally drag my family there.

On a high res image of the same post card, you'll note a framed pennant above the center of the bar. It was apparently custom-made, for the proprietor, and reads "Jos. Kosyan / Pennant Buffet" next to a screen printed image of Mr. Kosyan himself. Beneath it, above the cash register, there's a very oversized, two-piece pennant with a four letter monogram (JKPB) next to the words "PENNANT BUFFET." Gotta love Mr. Kosyan's style, eh?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Hey ooo-ribay. Did you say that you have a red one of these? If so, can you post a pic?

I think that's mine.

OK...I did the Google photos album. I was trying to import them by "series," but that seemed to not always work. Is there a way to re-arrange? I was thinking I would have 97 photos but I think I only got 89 or so. The one post-1980s pennant I included is a misspelled one. I probably have another 100 1980-2000 pennants.

DELETE FIRST GOOGLE PHOTO ATTEMPT.

[ooo-ribay]

Never mind...I figured out re-group. Stand by!

[ooo-ribay]

This is much better.

DELETE SECOND ATTEMPT.

[ooo-ribay]

Maybe I gotta do this?

DELETE THIRD ATTEMPT.

[ooo-ribay]

Maybe again?

DELETE FOURTH ATTEMPT.

[ooo-ribay]

Found five I missed. This time I'm done.

Really.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VTWwsCGCUcnhRKy28

[thetahat]

Great stuff Rob!!!! Thanks for posting!

[bocca001]

Thanks for posting those, Rob. Here is one from your collection that I hadn't seen before. Nothing fancy, but clearly hard to find.

[ooo-ribay]

Google photos is actually pretty slick if you have your sh*t together!

[bocca001]

Ok, here are my last two sets of photos. Pandemic project complete. I can see how this would take longer for those of you who collect many teams.

San Jose Minor League Baseball, with some other California League teams:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/TswGpyFDAceNYpBJ7

Santa Clara University football etc:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PKq3vUDmzJj1HrQg7

[ooo-ribay]

New York Giants:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/5w4MyAqWtyAqb8JU7

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Ok, here are my last two sets of photos. Pandemic project complete.

Santa Clara University football etc:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PKq3vUDmzJj1HrQg7

You, no doubt, have the biggest Santa Clara pennant collection in existence!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Ok, here are my last two sets of photos. Pandemic project complete. I can see how this would take longer for those of you who collect many teams.

San Jose Minor League Baseball, with some other California League teams:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/TswGpyFDAceNYpBJ7

Santa Clara University football etc:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PKq3vUDmzJj1HrQg7

Very nice! Love the San Jose pennants especially. Back in ‘09 my college team (I was asst coach, not player) opened the season at SJSU, we played a DH with the first game on campus and then walked over to the minor league ballpark for the nightcap. Cool old field!

[bocca001]

Thanks, guys. I've been collecting Santa Clara pennants for a long time. It's rare to see an old one come up these days. I did get a great one from Kyle a few months ago.

Greg- about San Jose, it's cool that you got to coach a game at that stadium. You should track down the Sports Illustrated story about the "Bad News Bees", describing the teams from the mid 1980s made up of former MLB players with drug problems (e.g., Steve Howe). I try to catch an SJ Giants game there every summer. The Santa Clara Padres also played games there during their one season of existence. It was a strange team with colors of red, green, and white to hopefully help them catch on with Italian, Portuguese, and Latino fans in the area (i.e., flag colors). It didn't work. But MLB manager Joe Maddon played on that team.

Rob- what's up with this NY Giants pennant below? I don't recall ever seeing it before and it seems unlike most other baseball pennants. I like it.

[ooo-ribay]

Got it on eBay, years ago. It came from Venezuela. The guy had like 10 teams. Prices realized ranged from $10 to $100+.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Thanks, guys. I've been collecting Santa Clara pennants for a long time. It's rare to see an old one come up these days. I did get a great one from Kyle a few months ago.

Greg- about San Jose, it's cool that you got to coach a game at that stadium. You should track down the Sports Illustrated story about the "Bad News Bees", describing the teams from the mid 1980s made up of former MLB players with drug problems (e.g., Steve Howe). I try to catch an SJ Giants game there every summer. The Santa Clara Padres also played games there during their one season of existence. It was a strange team with colors of red, green, and white to hopefully help them catch on with Italian, Portuguese, and Latino fans in the area (i.e., flag colors). It didn't work. But MLB manager Joe Maddon played on that team.

Rob- what's up with this NY Giants pennant below? I don't recall ever seeing it before and it seems unlike most other baseball pennants. I like it.

I will look it up! In fact I think Ken Reitz played for that Bees team, if memory serves me.

[ooo-ribay]

I mis-read your previous post, Marc. Here's the red version, but I don't own it.

[bocca001]

Thanks for posting that, Rob. This version (red or blue) with both the Yankees and Giants seems to up less often than the Giants versions (orange or black). I wonder if they are all just housed in Yankees collections?

[perezfan]

I simply think that very few of that pennant were ever made (as opposed to being stashed away in Yankee collections). It was probably a very short production run to be sold only at the '62 World Series. You never see them come to auction or eBay, and it's been that way for the last 30 years.

Much like Rob's 1954 WS Pennant, it's just a super scarce variation. BTW, did you guys see what the '54 recently sold for in LOTG?

See link below....

http://loveofthegameauctions.com/Rar...-LOT20768.aspx

[baseball tourist]

Nice grouping from the teens. Quebec towns an Athletic Club perhaps, HS? And Winnipeg.

[thetahat]

Cleveland Indians. How many ‘54 pennants are there? I think it’s gotta be 7 or 8 - I don’t have them all - and mostly from the same company!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/BaQeZzJM7pdZ4suLA

[Fballguy]

Accidentally posted this as a new thread...meant to post in here...

I was having a conversation with Marc about this recently...

I know most people are into older pennants, but I was wondering if anyone had any rare "modern" pennants in their collection that they'd want to share. By modern I mean post 1970. Most of that stuff is really common and really boring especially as you get past there early 80s, but I've found a few things that interested me enough to pick them up and I wonder who else has? This is my most recent pick up.

Until recently, I had no idea it existed. It's from the "Freezer Bowl". The 27-7 Bengals win over the Chargers, that sent the Bengals to Super Bowl XVI. I'm guessing, because of the weather that day (-59 degree wind chill), people weren't eager to pull their hands out of their pockets to pay for things...let alone a pennant that you'd have to hold for 3+ hours. Has anyone seen it before?

PS...Let's see what you've got.

[perezfan]

This is one of only two I have that fits the category. Pretty cool newer pennant, as it was a very short-lived farm team for the Seattle Pilots....

[andypcl]

Lodi Orioles of the California League - 1974-75'

[MK]

Added a portion of my Cub pennants to google photos. Hope this works.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/JW9HXtofm13u2D4M6

[bocca001]

I have a few rare modern pennants. Most are football pennants. I've posted this Superbowl pennant before, and just picked up this bootleg version of the typical 49ers single bar helmet (no NFL logo, SF in helmet yellow instead of white).

As for Fballguy's pennant, I would really like to find a pennant for the NFC championship game from that year ("The catch" game). I have never seen one.

Although maybe not as cool as older pennants, it is fun to chase these really rare items. The bootleg pennants can be especially funky.

[whiteymet]

Hi Guys:

In my Corona Coop Up I just went through ALL 69 pages of this thread looking for info on the below.

Does anyone know who issued this 1950's era sheet with pennants?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[ooo-ribay]

Great Cubs pennants, Mike!

I really like the “pennant kit,” Fred. How big is each pennant? I will say there is no felt pennant I know of that matches the NY Giants on your sheet.

[ooo-ribay]

Here's a rare, older pennant!

[MK]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

Hi Guys:

In my Corona Coop Up I just went through ALL 69 pages of this thread looking for info on the below.

Does anyone know who issued this 1950's era sheet with pennants?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I’m pretty sure this sheet was issued by Bazooka.

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Great Cubs pennants, Mike!

I really like the “pennant kit,” Fred. How big is each pennant? I will say there is no felt pennant I know of that matches the NY Giants on your sheet.

Hi Rob:

each pennant measures 5 & 3/4"

Interesting that the Giants design has not been seen before. I wonder if that is the same for other teams?