T206 green Cobb with CYCLE 350 back sells for 3K....some one was FAKED-OUT !

[tedzan]

I was informed (after the fact) that a GRADED (PSA Authentic-Altered) green portrait Cobb with a CYCLE 350 back recently sold for $3000 at an auction.

Most of us T206 dudes know this is an impossible front/back combo. The green Cobb is a 150/350 series subject. The CYCLE 350 back was printed on the
350-Only series subjects of the T206 set.

I'm not surprised that buyers fell for whatever hype described this card.

I am surprised to see that these RE-FRONTED fakes are still in circulation and are being sold.

If any one on this forum has more specifics on this sale, please chime in.


TED Z

[CMIZ5290]

Ted- what i can't figure out is how in the world someone can pull this off without some kind of telling sign? How in the world can they perfectly attach it without any indications?

[atx840]

Auction

Again its PSA here.

Kevin look at the board member who has a T205 front/T206 back he made, the guys who add paper back to corners and is unseen. There is ways of doing everything dishonest and PSA will encase them for you a lot of the times.

[tedzan]

Have you seen professional paper restorers work on an old piece of art ? It's amazing to watch these guys ply their craft.

To remove a T206 front off a common T206 CYCLE 350 (or BROAD LEAF, DRUM, HINDU, etc.) and then replace that front
with a T206 star (Cobb, Matty, etc.) on that blank front is a "piece of cake" for the professional. And, they do it with un-
believable precision, that it fools the graders (PSA, SGC, etc.) virtually every time.

That is the exact process and that's why I refer to these T206 fakes as have been Re-Fronted.


TED Z

[CMIZ5290]

truly amazing....what a shame it is to have to worry about these freaking morons in the hobby we all love so much.....

[danmckee]

I hate to break this to you but this card is only graded "Authentic" by PSA.

And technically both the front and back are Authentic!

The combination just can't exist.

So, is this card graded wrong? Or shouldn't be graded?

I am not sure of the answer but it is tough to argue with Authentic when the entire card is actually Authentic.

Dan

[barrysloate]

Interesting point Dan, because if I remember correctly the well known Just So Burkett was restored using a different card for its border, and it's also in an AUTHENTIC-ALTERED holder. But something is different with these two examples.

It's pretty clear what was done to the Burkett, and anyone owning it should know it's the product of two different cards. But in the case of the green Cobb/Cycle, wouldn't one assume that the card was issued with a Cycle back and then some alteration took place after the fact?

I believe with Burkett PSA made a conscious decision with its designation; in the case of the Cobb they made a bad mistake. My opinion is neither one should reside in a slab.

[alanu]

I've looked at both the SGC and PSA websites and don't see anywhere they give the standards for their "Authentic" grades, it would be helpful if they had a description similar to the standards/descriptions for their other "grades".