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[Jenx34]

I think it is the same card. I could see where it may have been touched up a bit, but keep in mind the card in her scan is in a soft sleeve where mine is not. I'm going to try and re-scan mine in a sleeve to see what difference that makes.

The most glaring spots to me are print defects in the red banner at the bottom. If you will look at the bottom of the A in Carl there is a dot/eye and also along the top of the red banner between the "i" and "of". Those aren't as evident on the ebay scan, but you can see blemishes there. I've attached a photo and a scan in a sleeve. My guess is looking closely, there was likely some doctoring however minor. I won't hesitate to return the cards I bought last night if I see the same or worse.

I do appreciate your input and additional sets of eyes. Here is the original listing. I always assume a card is at least a grade or two lower than is described.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CARL-YASTRZE...vip=true&rt=nc

Originally Posted by irv

JenX, imo, the card you purchased does not look like the card she posted.

Her card has definitely been cleaned up some, imo. Note the corners, especially the top right and also the dot in the border on the left side (Yaz's right shoulder) Is that something that is just on your scanner or is it on the actual card?
The borders also look whiter, cleaned up in her pic compared to your's.
What was her description of the card, or do you still have the for sale/auction link?

Surprisingly, however, I thought it may be worse, but, imo, your card didn't need a lot of doctoring. Based on what I have read and heard, most of her cards have been doctored/photoshopped quite extensively.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Jenx34

I think it is the same card. I could see where it may have been touched up a bit, but keep in mind the card in her scan is in a soft sleeve where mine is not. I'm going to try and re-scan mine in a sleeve to see what difference that makes.

The most glaring spots to me are print defects in the red banner at the bottom. If you will look at the bottom of the A in Carl there is a dot/eye and also along the top of the red banner between the "i" and "of". Those aren't as evident on the ebay scan, but you can see blemishes there. I've attached a photo and a scan in a sleeve. My guess is looking closely, there was likely some doctoring however minor. I won't hesitate to return the cards I bought last night if I see the same or worse.

I do appreciate your input and additional sets of eyes.

Your scan in the sleeve did clean it up some. You can barely notice that black spot/blemish in the border, but it is completely gone in her scan.

I didn't comment about those other spots as you can see them in both scans, albeit, her's are a little less noticeable.

I also believe it is the same card, but I guess there is a chance it isn't as I'm sure lots exist and of course shouldn't be too hard to find in that condition?

If it is, there is no doubt, imo, her's was cleaned up some. Either way, you didn't receive the same "looking" card as what she had for sale, and knowing her MO, one should not be surprised, no matter how little/subtle the changes, some changes were made.

[Jenx34]

I agree. At $8 I won't worry about it too much. But the cards coming from last night will offer good evidence as it's not just one card that can be explained away. Will update as soon as I have them. Thanks

Originally Posted by irv

Your scan in the sleeve did clean it up some. You can barely notice that black spot/blemish in the border, but it is completely gone in her scan.

I didn't comment about those other spots as you can see them in both scans, albeit, her's are a little less noticeable.

I also believe it is the same card, but I guess there is a chance it isn't as I'm sure lots exist and of course shouldn't be too hard to find in that condition?

If it is, there is no doubt, imo, her's was cleaned up some. Either way, you didn't receive the same "looking" card as what she had for sale, and knowing her MO, one should not be surprised, no matter how little/subtle the changes, some changes were made.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Jenx34

I agree. At $8 I won't worry about it too much. But the cards coming from last night will offer good evidence as it's not just one card that can be explained away. Will update as soon as I have them. Thanks

I agree, and I am looking forward to seeing the scans of your new purchases.

Hopefully, for your sake, the changes, if any, are as subtle as they are in your Yas card.

Good luck.

[Jenx34]

Not sure the best way to do this so I am going to do one card at a time. First the '58 Mantle AS. I'm posting 4 pics... Battlefield auction scan (blue background), my scan (white background) and my photo (wood grain background) and one of the back. The photo was difficult because of lighting. The one I am posting looks brighter white than the scans, but it's not far off. I'd say there is some dulling of the white border, but it is pretty nice.

My thoughts: I can't see any issues with this card. It's a nice card and I don't see any signs of "photoshopping". The back is nice and nicely centered. I look forward to different sets of eyes looking to see if there is anything I missed.
Chris

Original auction listing description: This card is in wonderful condition! It is 100% authentic & unaltered! This card has no creases, 4 very strong corners, great centering, beautiful color, awesome eye appeal, and a beautiful clean back. There are no pinholes, markings, paper loss, or any damage of that kind.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...vip=true&rt=nc

[Jenx34]

This is a nice card, but not without issues. The two issues I see are "snow" in the background above the players and touches on the bottom 2 corners, which is common with the color border. I DO see some possible "doctoring" when comparing these images. In the Battlefield Auction scan (blue background), you see less/little snow. The bottom two corners look a little better on that scan, but not a lot. I purposefully included a sleeve on the card in my scan (white background) since hers has one. My photo (wood grain background) is whiter and actually closer to the color of the border of the card than the others.
I'm considering keeping this card. I would like opinions on the "snow" and how that might affect grade/value, and if you guys agree that the "snow" was likely photoshopped out on her scan.

Original ebay listing description: This card is in wonderful condition! It is 100% authentic & unaltered! This card has no creases, 4 very strong corners, great centering, beautiful color, awesome eye appeal, and a beautiful clean back. There are no pinholes, markings, paper loss, or any damage of that kind.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...72.m2749.l2649

[Jenx34]

This is a card I am planning on returning. I can't say whether an honest mistake was made or if the "oversight" was what many on here have come to expect from Battlefield. The front of the card is nice with minor touches on the corners and a light surface wrinkle (through the middle of the 0) that I did not see when bidding. The auction description mentions it so that's on me. It's really minor and even difficult to see when holding the card. Looking at it even closer, it seems obvious that the "dirt" in the 0 was cleaned up in her scan as well as possibly some discoloration/spots in the bottom edge and around the M in Mantle.

The problem I have is the back. Battlefield doesn't show scans of the back of the card, but as you will see in the description there is no mention of paper loss anywhere. Check out the back and you will see it is quite obvious.

Original Ebay Auction description: This card is part of the rare Hi # series! This card is in wonderful condition! It is 100% authentic & unaltered! This card has no creases, 4 strong corners, near perfect centering, beautiful color, awesome eye appeal, a small surface wrinkle on the front of the card, and a beautiful clean back. There are no pinholes, markings, paper loss, or any damage of that kind.
Chris J

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...vip=true&rt=nc

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by Jenx34

I agree. At $8 I won't worry about it too much. But the cards coming from last night will offer good evidence as it's not just one card that can be explained away. Will update as soon as I have them. Thanks

This is what keeps her in business

[Jenx34]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

This is what keeps her in business

I know, which makes me wonder if there is a legit law enforcement angle that can be pursued....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jenx34

I know, which makes me wonder if there is a legit law enforcement angle that can be pursued....

It makes it harder when they give almost instant refunds, or at least used to. They are sly, no doubt.

[David W]

The thing I noticed is that with the royal blue background, that draws your attention away from everything else.

I had to really concentrate to inspect the card fully, which I am sure is done deliberately.

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by Jenx34

I know, which makes me wonder if there is a legit law enforcement angle that can be pursued....

Huh? Why are you pondering that? You bought cards from her, recognize that they've clearly been photoshopped....and fraud has occurred. Yet you keep the cards because it was a good deal for you. Please don't complain about fraud when you recognize it, yet willingly pay into it. Nothing personal, but again...she's counting on buyers like you to keep her in business while she continues to defraud others.

[Jenx34]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Huh? Why are you pondering that? You bought cards from her, recognize that they've clearly been photoshopped....and fraud has occurred. Yet you keep the cards because it was a good deal for you. Please don't complain about fraud when you recognize it, yet willingly pay into it. Nothing personal, but again...she's counting on buyers like you to keep her in business while she continues to defraud others.

Actually my view changed on that between the time I posted the photos and made comments about keeping the cards and asking about law enforcement. The more I inspected the cards, the more I saw small flaws covered up. So returns are in progress.

That would be why.....

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

This is what keeps her in business

Yep, you get what you are willing to put up with.
In this hobby - that is quite a bit.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Yep, you get what you are willing to put up with.
In this hobby - that is quite a bit.

and as of now that is about 340 chances to get screwed, so it seems.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/battlefield...p2047675.l2562

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[irv]

Originally Posted by SteveH1030

My experience with Battlefield was also negative - but much shorter if not sweeter. I purchased a mid 1960s star card - and noticed it was trimmed. It was returned right away and I left neutral feedback to be nice. She only refunded my money after the eBay refund period had expired and then blocked me from further auctions.

eBay letting dishonest sellers like Battlefield and Tripleplayvintage continue on their site while so many other dealers are straight up is a travesty.


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