The trend in Wagner cards

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Wha? Is it rarer than the Cobb and WaJo in that set?

Hank, I don't know much about the M116 set, but I'll venture a guess that the WaJo with the "OVER 300 SUBJECTS" back is rarer.

[Rhotchkiss]

PSA and SGC pop reports for Cobb, Wagner, and Johnson. The blue is fairly rare

[brunswickreeves]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

no, it's not. There is definitely a perception that honus doesn't have a ton of cards to choose from. While I believe he has many...there are not nearly as many to choose from as cobbs...there's no question about that.

Portraits have been on fire last few years as they are similar to the t206.

to me...these prices are pretty crazy on m116's. i'm not sure if they are legit or being manipulated.

My 9/10/23 post in this thread has a POP breakdown of Wagner playing days cards: at that time there were 3,576. I had a Cobb POP count I was working on but ran out of steam after over 100 variations and 10K+ cards…by comparison Joe Jackson playing days cards which I also created a total POP post on are fewer than 1,500…

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by brunswickreeves

My 9/10/23 post in this thread has a POP breakdown of Wagner playing days cards: at that time there were 3,576. I had a Cobb POP count I was working on but ran out of steam after over 100 variations and 10K+ cards…by comparison Joe Jackson playing days cards which I also created a total POP post on are fewer than 1,500…

While Wagner holds the top spot ala T206, Cobb far outweighs the Dutchman in aesthetically pleasing cards.

[Leon]

Crazy valuations!

The M116 Wags pastel must be 25K-40k+? now....in a 5 holder.
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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

Crazy valuations!

The M116 Wags pastel must be 25K-40k+? now....in a 5 holder.
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More!!

[chiprop]

Doubt it. More like 25-30k

[sb1]

Older holder and soft card for the grade will hold this one back..

[DeanH3]

Total graded between PSA/SGC

169 Pastel
70 Blue

Not a very high population count, IMHO. Interesting to see where they go from here. Gotta admit, it makes it tempting to sell. The pause is realizing I may never be able to replace it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by sb1

Older holder and soft card for the grade will hold this one back..

I was just being facetious, not looking to sell.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Total graded between PSA/SGC

169 Pastel
70 Blue

Not a very high population count, IMHO. Interesting to see where they go from here. Gotta admit, it makes it tempting to sell. The pause is realizing I may never be able to replace it.

Always the dilemma. Comes down to what one wants more, the card. the cash, or the cards it can now fund.

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Always the dilemma. Comes down to what one wants more, the card. the cash, or the cards it can now fund.

100% agree

[Republicaninmass]

People will be kicking themselves they didn't sell, or that they did!


One Can never lose money taking a profit though

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by chiprop

Doubt it. More like 25-30k

Pastel 4.5 and 3.5 already got $30K and $23.4K respectively last year. An "A" got $13.2K.

Crazy prices compared to a few years ago, but I get the high demand for Wagner portraits.

[Cooper1927]

Seems the market keeps booming in Wagner’s - especially portraits. Any additional insights?


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Cooper1927

Seems the market keeps booming in Wagner’s - especially portraits. Any additional insights?


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My insight is that I would probably sell mine now if it weren't for taxes.

[sb1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

My insight is that I would probably sell mine now if it weren't for taxes.

Very true, the cost of exiting in the collectible category is a big hit to the pocket.

[bandrus1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

My insight is that I would probably sell mine now if it weren't for taxes.

you dont have to be a goodie goodie... you can get cash for that at the national

[Exhibitman]

The effort to purchase a Wagner nowadays is Wagnerian.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by bandrus1

you dont have to be a goodie goodie... you can get cash for that at the national

And then you have to transport and launder the cash. If you just deposit it into your account, there will be a report generated and the authorities may want to have a word, and you better have reported the income when they come knocking. "Any time you try a decent crime, you got fifty ways you're gonna f**k up. If you think of twenty-five of them, then you're a genius - and you ain't no genius." Body Heat, 1981. The algebra of deterrence at work here. Avoiding a bit of capital gains tax is not worth risking a professional license (Peter is a lawyer) and possibly one's liberty. It also isn't being a goodie-goodie. It is being a good citizen. "Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society"--Oliver Wendell Holmes, Compania General De Tabacos De Filipinas v. Collector of Internal Revenue, 275 U.S. 87, 100, dissenting opinion, November 21, 1927.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

And then you have to transport and launder the cash. If you just deposit it into your account, there will be a report generated and the authorities may want to have a word, and you better have reported the income when they come knocking. "Any time you try a decent crime, you got fifty ways you're gonna f**k up. If you think of twenty-five of them, then you're a genius - and you ain't no genius." Body Heat, 1981. The algebra of deterrence at work here. Avoiding a bit of capital gains tax is not worth risking a professional license (Peter is a lawyer) and possibly one's liberty. It also isn't being a goodie-goodie. It is being a good citizen. "Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society"--Oliver Wendell Holmes, Compania General De Tabacos De Filipinas v. Collector of Internal Revenue, 275 U.S. 87, 100, dissenting opinion, November 21, 1927.

Bonus pro tip:

If you're going to do something illegal, then best practices are not to post about it in a public online forum.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Bonus pro tip:

If you're going to do something illegal, then best practices are not to post about it in a public online forum.

Evading state taxes seems to be a favorite bragging point here though.

[Leon]

+1. Probably not the best covert operation.

As for the subject, I can't afford Wags any longer. I need to stick with Marquard or Rick Ferrell or someone...

Originally Posted by raulus

Bonus pro tip:

If you're going to do something illegal, then best practices are not to post about it in a public online forum.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by sb1

Very true, the cost of exiting in the collectible category is a big hit to the pocket.

To me it beats taking a loss on an item. Gladly...well maybe not gladly but willing to pay taxes on a gain over taking less than I paid. Even after taxes, we still get to keep a majority of the gain.

Signed,
Goodie goodie

[Peter_Spaeth]

To be more accurate, what I meant to say was that after taking taxes into account, the profit is not large enough to entice me to sell. As Lorewalker says, it wouldn't really be a hit to the pocket, it would still be a nice gain.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

To be more accurate, what I meant to say was that after taking taxes into account, the profit is not large enough to entice me to sell. As Lorewalker says, it wouldn't really be a hit to the pocket, it would still be a nice gain.

I know what you mean. That's what my dad told me when I asked if he was going to sell Tesla when it was at 1200.

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[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Leon

+1. Probably not the best covert operation.

As for the subject, I can't afford Wags any longer. I need to stick with Marquard or Rick Ferrell or someone...

My budget is more Highpockets Kelly or maybe Harold Baines.

[Republicaninmass]

Collecting

Deep Pockets Kelly, with Short Arms McGee