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Old 03-22-2014, 02:48 PM
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I recently thought it would be fun to collect wrong back play ball cards as they are available, but still a twist to collecting to the play ball set. Soon after deciding to collect them there was a 42 card lot of them listed in a Legendary Auction, I was happy to win. What I haven't found is a check list of known fronts and backs so I thought I would share what I have with those wanting to know.

















































































































































































































































































































































































































































Front # Front Name Back # Back Name
47 Buddy Lewis 2 Max West
46 Sid Hudson 3 Bucky Walters
44 Sam Chapman 5 Buck McCormick
39 Tommy Henrich 10 Arky Vaughn
35 Pinky Higgins 14 Ted Williams
32 Taft Wright 17 Stormy Weatherly
30 Lou Finney 19 Charlie Gehringer
27 Babe Young 22 Indian Bob Johnson
26 Harry “Gunboat” Gumbert 23 Mac McQuinn
24 Dutch Leonard 25 Gene Moore
48 Cecil Travis 25 Gene Moore
72 Lefty Gomez 25 Gene Moore
47 Buddy Lewis 26 Harry Gunboat Gumbert
22 Indian Bob Johnson 27 Babe Young
46 Sid Hudson 27 Babe Young
21 Charlie Keller 28 Joe Marty
69 George Case 28 Joe Marty
20 Red Ruffing 29 Jack Wilson
44 Sam Chapman 29 Jack Wilson
43 Albert “Bronk” Brancato 30 Lou Finney
18 Hank Greenberg 31 Joe Kuhel
65 Tommy Bridges 32 Taft Wright
16 Hal Trosky 33 Happy Milnar
64 Bobby Doerr 33 Happy Milnar
15 Joe Cronin 34 Rollie Hemsley
39 Tommy Henrich 34 Rollie Hemsley
14 Ted Williams 35 Pinky Higgins
62 Elbie Fletcher 35 Pinky Higgins
13 Jimmie Foxx 36 Barney McCosky
37 Soupy Campbell 36 Barney McCosky
12 Jimmy Brown 37 Soupy Campbell
33 Happy Milnar 40 Johnny Babich
6 Carl Hubbell 43 Albert Bronk Brancato
30 Lou Finney 43 Albert Bronk Brancato
29 Jack Wilson 44 Sam Chapman
53 Luke "Hot Potato" Hamlin 44 Sam Chapman
28 Joe Marty 45 Elden Auker
27 Dolph Camilli 46 Sid Hudson
26 Harry “Gunboat” Gumbert 47 Buddy Lewis
25 Gene Moore 48 Cecil Travis
71 Joe DiMaggio 50 Johnny Cooney
46 Sid Hudson 51 Dolph Camilli
70 Bill Dickey 51 Dolph Camilli
45 Elden Auker 52 Kirby Higbe
68 Jack Knott 53 Luke Hot Potato Hamlin
67 Walt Judnich 54 Pee Wee Reese
42 Wally Moses 55 Whit Wyatt
66 Harland Clift 55 Whit Wyatt
41 Frankie Hayes 56 Vandy Vander Meer
65 Tommy Bridges 56 Vandy Vander Meer
40 Johnny Babich 57 Moe Arnovich
63 Dom DiMaggio 58 Frank Demaree
62 Elbie Fletcher 59 Bill Jurges
37 Soupy Campbell 60 Chuck Klein
61 Vince DiMaggio 60 Chuck Klein
60 Chuck Klein 61 Vince DiMaggio
59 Bill Jurges 62 Elbie Fletcher
58 Frank Demaree 63 Dom DiMaggio
57 Moe Arnovich 64 Bobby Doerr
56 Vandy Vander Meer 65 Tommy Bridges
55 Whit Wyatt 66 Harland Clift
54 Pee Wee Reese 67 Walt Judnich
53 Luke "Hot Potato" Hamlin 68 Jack Knott
28 Joe Marty 69 George Case
52 Kirby Higbe 69 George Case
27 Dolph Camilli 70 Bill Dickey
51 Dolph Camilli 70 Billl Dickey
26 Harry “Gunboat” Gumbert 71 Joe DiMaggio
50 Johnny Cooney 71 Joe DiMaggio
25 Gene Moore 72 Lefty Gomez
49 Babe Dahlgren 72 Lefty Gomez



I am not an expert nor I have not been looking very long so my knowledge of most of this comes from the huge lot I recently bought (along with the few I had bought previously), but I thought it would be helpful to others. If you would like to add any that you know of I will add them to this list.

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Old 03-22-2014, 10:16 PM
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Andy,

I don't have a lot of them, but I try to pick them up when I see them. Some are out of my price range, but I think they are cool. Most of these I got for "cheaper" than their "right" back counters:

Carl Hubbell front - Brancato back
Harry Gumbert front - McQuinn back
Pee Wee front - Judnich back
Judnich front - Reese back
Hudson front - Camili back

I've seen a lot of other wrong backs, but sellers wanted much, much more than I wanted to pay!

Cool idea - glad to see you have quite a few of them
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:05 AM
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I updated the main checklist with the two that I didn't have that you brought to my attention. I do plan on adding to the list ones I know about, but don't own, but I have been very busy lately.

It seems that there are some that come up often, but there are some front back combos that don't seem to be that common. Again not an expert, so I am only surmising that the ones with the "Also look..." backs are harder to find.
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Interesting Gunboat/DiMaggio because that is now the third back for Gumbert.

I know at one point when I first started doing my research there was another DiMaggio combo, but I hadn't looked back to see whom it was.

I also surmise that Low#/High# combos, like your Gumbert/Dimaggio are rarer. Because when I do see repeats or "opposite combos" (meaning seeing the same combo of players but who is on the back and front switches) they seem to come from the same series. Again I have just started looking so I could be wrong.

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Nice topic...here is what I have in my collection not currently on your list:

25 Gene Moore 48 Cecil Travis
39 Tommy Henrich 34 Rollie Hemsley
59 Bill Jurges 62 Elbie Fletcher
63 Dom Dimaggio 58 Frank Demaree

Good luck on the research...

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Here is one that is not on your list -

#28 Marty w/ Auker back
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1941-Play-Ba...item58acc2ec92

Seller wants a little too much for it in my opinion -
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Here is one that is not on your list -

#28 Marty w/ Auker back
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1941-Play-Ba...item58acc2ec92

Seller wants a little too much for it in my opinion -
Thank you. There are a few on ebay and other places that I need to add. I have been really busy (I had a play open this past weekend I am acting in), I figured I would upload my personal list and open the discussion as I was waiting to get more time. I haven't even added the ones in this thread to my personal list yet.
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I have finally got around to updating the list. In the past when I tried it would error out on me. Now that I am using an HTML table it fixed that problem, but it causes a spacing issue. There is extra info in the list since it is copied from my spread sheet (Including whether I own it and what duplicates I own). This should still be helpful for others.

I also have the spreadsheet on google drive if anyone would like a copy.

Since I will now have constant access to it I will try and be better about updating it if you have something you know needs to be added.
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I added an update this morning. There was only one Hi series front not accounted for, 57 - Arnovich, I found a scan of one this morning.

There are 13 with no front or back accounted for on the list. They are:
1 "Eddie" Miller
3 "Bucky" Walters
4 "Duke" Derringer
7 "The Horse" Danning
8 "Mel" Ott
9 "Pinky" May
11 Debs Garms
13 "Jimmie" Foxx
19 "Charley" Gehringer (google search shows old ebay with a combo with 30- Lou Finney, but can't confirm who is front and back)
38 Atley Donald
41 Frank "Blimp" Hayes

Along with the list above there are 9 more that don't have a front but have a back accounted for on my list. They are:

2 Max West
5 "Buck" McCormick
10 "Arky" Vaughn
14 "Ted" Williams
17 "Stormy" Weatherly
23 "Mac" McQuinn
31 "Joe" Kuhel
34 "Rollie" Hemsley
36 Barney McCosky
45 Elden Auker

These lists are the ones I plan on doing more research on to see if they do exist and just not accounted for by us.

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I have an "Indian Bob" Johnson with a Norman "Babe" Young back.

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I added an update this morning. There was only one Hi series front not accounted for, 57 - Arnovich, I found a scan of one this morning.

There are 13 with no front or back accounted for on the list. They are:
1 "Eddie" Miller
3 "Bucky" Walters
4 "Duke" Derringer
7 "The Horse" Danning
8 "Mel" Ott
9 "Pinky" May
10 "Arky" Vaughn
11 Debs Garms
13 "Jimmie" Foxx
19 "Charley" Gehringer (google search shows old ebay with a combo with 30- Lou Finney, but can't confirm who is front and back)
22 "Indian Bob" Johnson
38 Atley Donald
41 Frank "Blimp" Hayes

Along with the list above there are 9 more that don't have a front but have a back accounted for on my list. They are:

2 Max West
5 "Buck" McCormick
14 "Ted" Williams
17 "Stormy" Weatherly
23 "Mac" McQuinn
31 "Joe" Kuhel
34 "Rollie" Hemsley
36 Barney McCosky
45 Elden Auker

These lists are the ones I plan on doing more research on to see if they do exist and just not accounted for by us.
I sold my 'Indian' Bob Johnson earlier this year...I believe it was to a forum member...it had a normal front but another player - and I cannot recall who - on the back.

Perhaps the member who bought it from me ($18) will read this and solve this little mystery. Never Mind - looks like Ted Z is that lucky forum member.
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I have a Tommy Henrich with a Floyd Vaughn Back. And a Lefty Gomez with a player I do not recall. I'll get back on the Gomez
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I have a Tommy Henrich with a Floyd Vaughn Back. And a Lefty Gomez with a player I do not recall. I'll get back on the Gomez
Added the Henrich/Vaughn and the Johnson/Young to the main list. Also updated the "missing" lists. Thank you.
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Ok the henrich has the ask for blony back and lefty gomez has eugene moore on the reverse with look for other sports stars.
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Ok the henrich has the ask for blony back and lefty gomez has eugene moore on the reverse with look for other sports stars.
Thank you. I added to the list this information.
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I was able to add to my collection tonight at the St. Louis Westport show. Also found a new combo and updated the list with it.
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A new update has been added. Thank you to those that have been able to add to the checklist.
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I have updated the list above for all your reference needs.
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In case you are still keeping up this list, I have a #13 Foxx front, #36 McCosky back in my collection.
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Nice Foxx. I haven’t tracked down all of these but I think I have enough to know the universe that should exist. If you think of these as 24 card groups/panels/series then the following are available:

Fronts 1-24 have 48-25 backs
Fronts 25-48 have 24-1, 48-25 and 72-49 backs
Fronts 49-72 have 48-25 and 72-49 backs

Always looking to finish this project, PMs always open to sellers/traders
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In case you are still keeping up this list, I have a #13 Foxx front, #36 McCosky back in my collection.
I sold my entire collection, so I am no longer following it myself. I do think this thread is helpful to others and confirmed copies can be added to this thread. I will add yours to the original post.
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Very neat. How did this happen to so many cards and who was the printer?

I can confirm a Chuck Klein front/Vince DiMaggio back -the only one I own and can send you a photo if you wish.
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Very neat. How did this happen to so many cards and who was the printer?

I can confirm a Chuck Klein front/Vince DiMaggio back -the only one I own and can send you a photo if you wish.
I have already gotten proof if it is on my list. According to my personal checklist that is one of the ones I owned. I owned 63 prior to selling them all to another member.
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I bought 63 from another member, flawless transaction... I have bunch of dups but only about half of the 144 unique combinations that I believe exist. I can post an updated list if interested.
I think the mystery is what a full uncut sheet looked like. You see 24 card panels sometimes advertised as full sheets but there are also some wide uncut strips that contain rows from multiple panels. Figuring out those sheet puzzles is the coolest part of collecting wrong backs IMO.
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I bought 63 from another member, flawless transaction... I have bunch of dups but only about half of the 144 unique combinations that I believe exist. I can post an updated list if interested.
I think the mystery is what a full uncut sheet looked like. You see 24 card panels sometimes advertised as full sheets but there are also some wide uncut strips that contain rows from multiple panels. Figuring out those sheet puzzles is the coolest part of collecting wrong backs IMO.
I am glad to see that you did continue this project and that you could do it without me competing with you in the market place.
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