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Old 09-16-2009, 01:08 PM
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Default Photo checklist of 1886 H812 New York Base Ball Club

Of the 8 cards in this 1886 set I've only seen Welch and Deasley, which are posted below.
I'd like to see if we can put together a photo checklist of this rare set, which to my knowledge hasn't been attempted before.

Does anyone recall H812 NY BB Club cards being offered at auction?
If you have a photo or scan of these cards or know where they might be found, please post.

1. Deasley
2. Dorgan
3. Estebrook
4. Ewing
5. Gerhardt
6. O'Rourke
7. Richardson
8. Welch

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Old 09-16-2009, 06:13 PM
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I have seen a scan of the Ewing. I think it was sold in a major auction 15-20 years ago. I didn't keep it.
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Old 09-16-2009, 07:18 PM
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For those who have seen the Burdick Collection, do you recall any H812 NY BB Club cards?
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I don't recall seeing any in the Burdick Collection, but due to their size they probably would have been in a different album or box than the cigarette cards. I don't think Burdick had any.
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Barry, have you seen any of these cards before during your years in the business - and if so how long ago?
I'm trying to get an idea of how rare they really are.

Eight cards appear on several checklists, so is it safe to assume they have all been verified to exist?
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Old 09-17-2009, 05:28 AM
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Paul- I've virtually never seen any. Perhaps only the one pictured in the Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards, and that's it. They are extremely rare.
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I think this H812 set is one of the rarest 19th century sets there is. I used to own the Welch when I was still doing the 1800's cards. I think I remember that most of them are known but all but 2-3 have the bottoms trimmed off of them. I think there might have been a group of them on ebay one time.....but again, all of the bottom ads were cut off. IF they weren't on ebay, I at least know there was a group of 6-7 somewhere that I remember....
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I just checked Lipset's Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards and the card pictured is the Welch above. When he described the H812 set only 3 poses were known at the time: Welch, Deasley, and Ewing.
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Eight cards appear on several checklists, so is it safe to assume they have all been verified to exist?
I would NOT assume they exist just because they appear on a checklist. It only takes one careless checklister to assume they must have made cards for the whole team and put them all on the list. Then others copy that list with the assumption that the guy before him verified them. I would go with Lew's list of three and wait for verification on any others. This is a potential issue with other very rare sets as well like N167.
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:57 AM
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there was a group of about five cards that sold in an REA auction a long time ago. All were trimmed.
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