quick impromptu survey about current issues

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Posted By: Joann

Grading is one of the biggest "players" in this hobby, touching nearly all hobbyists in one way or another even if only to affect prices. I find starting threads on grading much more appropriate and global to the hobby than starting a boatload of "I found another reprint on ebay" threads. On the other hand, if a new grading thread was started every time someone was mad at a grade or found some ticky-tack little oversight, then it would become like the reprint on ebay crap - whiny-ass, as someone upthread called it. But for larger mistakes and broader topics (like the Freddy M thread in which he shows grounds for complete lack of trust in the whole grading process) it is a valuable part of this board.

I think that Matt R was okay in what he was doing except for starting a new thread in areas where he should have just added posts. It's clear from his starting threads like "there will be evidence tonight" and then "here is the evidence" that he just putting items related to the same string of content in the wrong places. A simple correction? I don't know. But he also seems to be trying to contribute meaningfully - and in ways unrelated to PSA - in other threads so maybe this is just lack of familiarity with "how it works here" rather than an attempt to take over the first page with a single topic.

Finally, I'm with Todd S on this one. I put just as much blame on whoever followed him over here from CU to jump every thread, and even every post he made to tell everyone that he's a jerk. I think it made this a much bigger issue than it otherwise would have been. It's like being in a nice quiet restaurant and suddenly having a bar brawl break through the wall from next door. Toss them all if it doesn't stop now.

So let the grading company posts stay. And no Matt shouldn't be starting a new thread every time he sees one little thing related to his favorite bashing subject. And all the CU guys, including Matt, need to leave the feud over there.


J

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Posted By: Rawn Hill

If you are not happy with grading, simple, don't get them entombed.

NO.

Rawn

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Posted By: Jim VB

Joann,

"Poor" Matt R had to keep starting new threads! All his old ones seem to keep getting locked!



Leon,

My vote is "no". Discussions about grading are fine, in general. More than a couple of posts to complain about a grade (or in this case, a grade he didn't get) are childish. Posts about 1980's Topps cards should get the heave-ho. However, posts made after a six-pack should be constitutionally protected as comedy.



Question for the veterans of the board,

What is the record for most threads locked by one poster and is there an over/under line on this guy?

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Posted By: dan mckee

We are on the same page, I didn't mean to make it seem that we weren't. I think if you read through this thread, most are on the same page. rawjaws and slab-a-phobs alike, we all need to keep up with the good things the grading companies do as well as the bad. And I think most of us realize that mistakes will be made, and hopefully handled properly. Take care my friend, Dan.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Joann made a good point that I agree with completely. Grading is the hot button issue in our hobby today. It has become very hard to function at any meaningful level without using the grading services, and yet we are nearly all in agreement the product they offer is inadequate, at times woefully so.

I suspect that if the graders improve the quality of their work, this issue will become less important. Nobody would be complaining if they looked at a stack of cards and felt that everything was graded correctly. There is still a long way to go for that.

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

Yes. The squabbles help me identify personalities.  If we keep squashing voices, it makes it hard to decifer the nuances of each poster.    Identifying posters by personalities like, "loves PSA, HATES PSA, Loves RAW cards", etc. you can use this to guage the validity of a post.

 

martyOgelvie
nyyankeecards.com

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Posted By: David G

Any thread that encourages posts of Tom Brady or Garry Templeton cards does not belong on this board.

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Posted By: Brad L.

I don't see the point of keeping threads around that bash one particular grading company over and over (or any other grading company for that matter) because of an "experiment" when everyone knows that every grading company makes mistakes and slabs trimmed/altered/fake cards.

It seems that this is a pretty isolated incident with one member making numerous posts and trying to start controversy in an unhealthy manner. Other than that, these boards seem calm and relevant to the topics (believe it or not, so are the CU boards when trolls aren't starting flame wars). So in that respect I don't see what value has been added with the recent posts by "plifter." If you feel the need to complain about a grading company fine, but threads that are over the top and obsessive don't add anything IMO.

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Posted By: Joseph Shirley

I feel ligitimate discussions and opinions about grading standards of the third party grading companies are important and valuable. However, mean spirited bashing, just for the sake of bashing or getting everyones tail feathers up, serves no real purpose and somewhat hurts the reputation of this forum.
I spend quite a bit of time lurking and reading threads both at CU and here. After having to weed through all the BS threads at PSA and PCGS forums, I always look forward to reading most of the treads here. On the most part they are very informative for me, and the standards for the most part seem pretty high. I hope you can keep it up, as I know it is a never ending task trying to maintain a quality forum.

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Posted By: MikeU

"I can't stand the CU stuff -- just too much focus on silly PSA issues. The bigger PSA issues should be fair game but not this whiny low-rent stuff." - Jeff L.

I agree 100% - No to petty bickering, yes to the tangible stuff.

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Posted By: Cat

No

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Posted By: Paul S

Agreed -- once it is petty bickering and not tangible it's/they gotta go.
Not to defend the madness, but to Matt R's credit he did finally begin a credible thread on Conquering Cobb.