Thinking of putting together a rather crappy T206 set

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Posted By: Dave

I'm seriously considering trying to do this for the fun of it. While my money spent on cards is already at the level of my wife gritting her teeth, I'm thinking about trying to put together a fairly poor man's set of PSA 1's, minus the big four of course. For the most part with the money I already spend it may be just picking up one T206 a week or so, which would I guess take me about 10 years if I go at that pace, may have to make it two a week. The things we do to pass time I guess.

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Posted By: Scott T

As the owner of a low end partial SGC T206 set (483 cards - 10's, 20,s and 30's mainly), I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how good some of the "rather crappy" cards look.

Good luck!

Scott

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Posted By: Dave

do you generally emphasize your card on having decent fronts with maybe partial paper loss on the back or is having a full back intact more important???

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Posted By: joe brennan

I have 128 cards of the set ranging from 1-5. You'd be surprised how well a 1 presents itself if you can live with a little paper loss on some of the HOFer's All the 1's I have of HOFer's have fronts that would grade 4-5 and were aquired for under $100. Good luck on your venture.

People said it was a million dollar wound. But the government must keep that money, cause I ain't never seen a penny of it.

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Posted By: RayB

Dave,
Low grade T-206 collecting is the greatest hobby venture I've ever undertaken.
I'm about 40% complete now on the set in PSA 1,2,3, with over 50% of the HOF'ers.
Collecting in this way, you can still find lots of cards with great eye appeal.
Decide for yourself which flaws bother you least. It is likely that just a couple of flaws you can deal with may technically push the card into the area of "low grade" and present opportunities.
Lastly, look inside the black lines. The image is what matters. Corner and egde wear are so natural with these cards that sharp ones look almost unreal.
Think eye appeal, eye appeal, eye appeal.
It's amazing what you end up with after a bit of time.

Link to my set:

http://www.psacard.com/set_registry/display_cards.chtml?rsetid=33376&alltime=no&rank=37&tied=0&requesttimeout=9999

Keep in mind that most of my higher grades (a few 4's and 5's) came mostly from self submitting cards with nice eye appeal that graded out 4/5. Otherwise I've tried when buying 1,2,3 to follow my own guidelines for eye appeal. It's the only way the common man has a shot at building "the Monster".


Best of Luck to you.
RayB

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Posted By: Dave

thanks for the info, should be fun as well as somewhat daunting. really nice looking set you got going by the way

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Posted By: Dave

Just to have sort of a direction to go in, I've always been moreso intrigued by the portraits. Does anyone know a site that lists all the portrait cards from the set? I know most checklist have a players portrait card spelled out if he has more than one card, but there are many that only have one card and its a portrait, I haven't found anywhere that breaks the list down like that.

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Posted By: Steve M.

New York Giants

http://www.freewebs.com/jacklitsch/t206nygiantsportraits.htm

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Posted By: MVSNYC

this topic is very near & dear to me...i have been collecting T206's for about 15 years now...and i am constantly wrestling with the idea of whether or not to build the monster in low grade (quantity) OR just keep a hand-ful of very high grade select cards (quality).

i started collecting "beaters" in the early 1990's, and built-up a collection of over 200 different cards, rare backs, HOFers, SLers, variations, etc, then last year i decided to sell almost all of my lower grade cards (which was probably 90% of what i had), and take that money and buy a dozen or so, very high-end cards...so today i have several PSA 9's & 8's & all of the rare backs still. BUT, i am always toying with te idea of going in reverse and selling the high grade pieces, in order to "get back on track" and chase the monster in lower grade...

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Posted By: Jeff Prizner

How much approximately would it cost to put together a low grade t206 set (minus the big 4), just assuming today's prices hold current for the sake of simplicity.

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Posted By: Dave

that was another question of mine, trying to figure out how many commons there are, how many southern leaguers there are, then have to get a break down on each hof'er what they are going for in 1's. will take three days jsut to do that...lol

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Posted By: JK

You can definitely find some nice looking psa 1s or sgc 10s out there. One of my favorites (no creases or wrinkles, just a little paperloss on the reverse):

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Posted By: MVSNYC

let's work together to get some ruff estimates on cost...

approx numbers:

74 HOF cards (excluding wagner & plank)
48 SLers
400+/- Commons/MLers

my pricing is going to be quick and painless, obviously this is a broad brush-stroke with a quick price estimate...

***price estimate based on LOW grade cards (1,2,3)

74 HOFers x $100 = $7,400
48 SLers x $50 = $2,400
400 Commons/MLers x $25 = $10,000

grand total = $19,800

so let's say $18-22,000

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Posted By: Dave

my hope with only picking up one or two cards a week and trying to be somewhat selective and frugal, i could find a common at $20, a slguer at $35 and a hof'er (the lower priced ones anyway such as a clarke, griffith, wallace) for $60-$65

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Posted By: MVSNYC

you'd be looking at $15K...maybe i'll sell one 9 & two 8's and join in your mission...

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Posted By: Dave

if you sell one 9 and 2 8's you'll be well ahead of my mission, which will be starting with a thomas jefferson

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Posted By: MVSNYC

true...

i think this is a great post you put up...really makes people contemplate what our collecting goals are...i'll tell you this much, it is a life-long goal of mine to complete the monster...and i will someday.

...but, for now i'll probably just stick with a dozen or so cards with razor sharp corners, snow-white borders and 3-D clear registration...



Best-
MS

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Posted By: Dave

anybody that can help direct towards a checklist of just the T206 portraits it would be much appreciated.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

was that a portrait or action card?

I am lucky that I bought a lot of my T206 HOFers several years ago in surprisingly nice condition (3-4-5). Too bad I didn't buy the Cobbs, Matty's and Young's then too...

You can get some very nice 1-2 cards if you don't mind a slightly chewed corner or minor back damage.

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Posted By: Dave

the jefferson is a portriat, and probably at best a Psa 1, maybe a SGC 20, its pretty crinkled. Also, if anyone knows a site, dealer etc. that has PSA 1's for bargains, under $20 i'd like to know, you can email me directly if it causes an issue to post here. Thanks.

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Posted By: Trae R.

Dave, this should help you. I created it a while back and you can only show portraits, SL'ers, HOF'ers etc.

http://mlbvintage.com/t206/print.php

Enjoy

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Posted By: joe brennan

I'd love to think you could find SLer's and HOFer's for that price, but I think your estimate is a bit low. Unless your talking a beater set, lower that 1's, than you have a chance. I've been looking for the last 18 months and those prices don't happen on the cards I have been watching. Too much competition for the lower end HOFer's and SLer's. If you plan on paying near $100 for the 1's of HOFer's and SLer's you won't be disapointed as often. Now commons you can find lots of bargains in the $15-30 range. Good Luck.

People said it was a million dollar wound. But the government must keep that money, cause I ain't never seen a penny of it.

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Posted By: Dave

Trae, very nice, exactly what I was looking for. Joe, it will definately be a beater set. Its not common to see the HOF cards going for $55 or $60 I know, but one falls through the cracks now and then like that. From what i've seen over on the auction site, about one a week.

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Posted By: dennis

the real question is. on a limited income can you stay focused on just t206.....i can't

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Posted By: Sean

Does anyone have a Minor League checklist? I'm thinking that would be a good start for me (I have the Minneapolis team already).

Thanks!
Sean BH

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Posted By: Jeff Prizner

Exactly Dennis, I think I would get a little bored and want to shift focus - that's A LOT of t206's.

That's why I personally prefer smaller sets or HOF sub-sets.

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Posted By: Steve M.

that has a real nice front and a crappy back. Now if I were going the route you are Dave this would be real attractive to me. Problematic backs just don't bother me as much as some people.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-1911-T206-George-Davis-Chicago-PSA-1_W0QQitemZ320044266151QQihZ011QQcategoryZ31718QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted By: Anonymous

yup, there are a few on there I'm watching. of course most of them have like 6 days to go. as far as if card has a good front or good back but creases, it will probably depend on the card, and the price.

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Posted By: MVSNYC

also, there are always cards in lots on eBay: lot of 20 commons, lot of 12 HOFers, etc...usually low-grade & raw, but exactly what you are looking for, cheap low grade in quantity...then send them in to PSA, get 1's & 2's back...

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Posted By: Dave

i think i'll personally come out better buying already graded. that will save $13-$15 bucks on each card there, plus shipping. frugal is as frugal does. been surfing the dealer sites for someone that has a PSA 1 portrait for under $20, and still looking, I may be 40 years out at this rate...

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Posted By: nbrazil

"that has a real nice front and a crappy back. Now if I were going the route you are Dave this would be real attractive to me. Problematic backs just don't bother me as much as some people.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-1911-T206-George-Davis-Chicago-PSA-1_W0QQitemZ320044266151QQihZ011QQcategoryZ31718QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem"

I dont need more competition for these types of cards!!

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Posted By: Dave

You never know what kind of deal you can get thats for sure. this was my best t206 deal (percentage wise as far as a profit this year) unfortunately to keep the additction up had to sell it, paid $38 for it raw and sold it for $225.

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Posted By: Steve M.

where is your ?

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Posted By: Dave

havent figured them out yet...lol

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Posted By: Sean

Dave,
The eBay seller "wabittwax" has been selling a bunch of nice T206 PSA 1's and 2's over the past few weeks. I bought one and it looks great (except for a bit of back damage), most have been selling for $18-$25 each.

Sean BH

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Posted By: Dave

Just noticed his stuff not 10 minutes ago, thanks Sean!

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Posted By: Dave

I'll have to get one or two soon, the last T206 I have is going out the door in the morning, sold last night on the bay.

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Posted By: nbrazil

steve...i was looking for a face with not so large a smile, but i couldnt find one. maybe a grin. or a half smile.

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Posted By: Dave

one down, 500 some odd to go. armbruster portrait, psa 3 $25, was a buy it now that just popped up.

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Posted By: T206Collector

I've always had a special place in my heart for this one -- probably because I soaked it off of a cardboard piece that had 15 other T206 cards glued to it. The fact that I was able to get it off in tact, without ruining the card (the back has some specs of paper loss making it a 10) was a minor miracle for me...



And I love my Red Cobb with almost unrecognizable back...



I was just happy to get this Young into my collection. Since I don't like Cy Young, I may never upgrade....

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Posted By: Dave

Three cards I'd love to have for sure. By the way, in case I wanted to go the easy route, instead of going one card at a time, does anyone know what the last beater complete set sold for?? in like a psa 1 or 2 average?

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Posted By: Brett

Ive got some t206 beaters including a few HOFers for sale if you need them !

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Posted By: Anonymous

If you take your time you can find some nice deals.. I just picked up a Evers bat on shoulder graded VG3 for 110. I think you have to be reasonable with the HOF's and SL and expect to pay more, deals can be found but less often. Commons can still be found for excellent prices IMO.

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Posted By: T206Collector

You can peruse past Mastro auctions to determine what a complete beater set goes for, but I would think $15-$25K would be about right.

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Posted By: Dave

Email me a list and scans if possible of what you have and for how much. I have already wayyyy over spent the amount I was going to allow myself weekly for this, but who knows.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

But I am very pleased with it. It presents well with just a bunch of creases. The card itself is intact. I shopped around very diligently and got it for under $300.

I picked up my blue BG Evers (cubs batting) with two other HOFers and a couple of commons with ghosts and print freaks for under $300 at the National. All were in pretty nice shape.

I shopped around for my Tinker red BG and found one well below market.

So they do exist, you just have to be patient and diligent.

Good luck, Mr. Phelps.

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Posted By: MVSNYC

i think i mentioned this above, but just want to reiderate (barry-spelling? haha), i assume you are doing in depth eBay searches, correct? because at any given time, there are a ton of low-condition T's on there...even many "lots" with multiple cards, cheap...

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Posted By: barrysloate

"Reiterate" but only since you asked. If I become the spelling cop they will throw me off the board.

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Posted By: always looking

always looking for a deal, just got a 12 card lot from a fellow board member that way...1's 2's and 3's.

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Posted By: MVSNYC

...slow & steady wins the race. if you can pick up these low grade lots...5 here, 12 there, etc...you'll do well.