NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-06-2014, 01:49 PM
GregMitch34's Avatar
GregMitch34 GregMitch34 is offline
Greg Mitchell
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: New York City area
Posts: 2,419
Default Changes in PSA and SGC Labels Over the Years

When questions of fakes come up (as we see today) and, say, PSA labels are compared, it always makes me wonder how much, or little, PSA and SGC typography has changed over the years. Every time I see a label, on a slab I've bought, that looks a little (slightly) different it makes me wonder if that's what they really looked like in that period--or if it's a fake.

Perhaps someone here could provide the service or posting examples of different period PSA and SGC labels for slabs. Thanks.

Last edited by GregMitch34; 03-06-2014 at 02:03 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-06-2014, 05:56 PM
Bosox Blair Bosox Blair is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,470
Default

Hi Greg,

Regarding PSA, I put the following together in 2010...you might find it helpful...you'll have to work your way through the thread a bit:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ighlight=style

Cheers,
Blair
__________________
My Collection (in progress) at: http://www.collectorfocus.com/collection/BosoxBlair
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-06-2014, 06:04 PM
Sean1125 Sean1125 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 3,566
Default

Everything listed below is an archive of twiley's old thread before he deleted it. No sense in losing valuable information!

(pics transferred to my photobucket too)

================================================== ====================================

Hi, This has always intrigued me. The history of PSA's flips. So I decided to the best of my knowledge put this together for future reference for all to use when ever someone has a flip question. Especially if they want to know if a flip is legitimate or not. This is a work in progress and a rough draft and will be corrected if there are errors and corrections that need to be made. If something is not correct please let me know so I can make the correction on this post.

Regular standard size flip:

PSA flip style 1. 1991 - 1992 This style flip is PSA's first flip ever produced.
Note the slashes through the zeros and the bar code is long. The back of the flip has a hologram that has "PSA" within it. The hologram is bonded on the outside, but it's not a sticker. It is bonded to the plastic the same way the white PSA logo is. The T206 Wagner pictured below is PSA's very first graded/authenticated card being the very first PSA flip. It also appears that the Wagner flip hologram was an outside sticker? It looks like it is peeling off in the scan below.



[/q]
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-06-2014, 06:04 PM
Sean1125 Sean1125 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 3,566
Default

Some more examples.


Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-06-2014, 06:04 PM
Sean1125 Sean1125 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 3,566
Default

PSA flip style 2. 1992 - 1999
Note The slashes through zeros are gone. The bar code is shortened and centered. The back of the flip still has the "PSA" hologram, but PSA made a change with the hologram. The hologram is bonded on the inside and not on the outside. The white PSA logo is the same, bonded on the outside. This also was when PSA starting putting their logo on the bottom right of the slab.






PSA flip style 3. (This is a guess) 2000 - 200?
The flip front has no changes from style 2. The back of this flip had changed. The hologram had changed from "PSA" to "COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE".





PSA flip style 4. (This is a guess) 200?- 200?
Note the bar code is now aligned to the left from this style to present day. The font numbers have been shortened and font letters are wider and rounder. Also the grade positioning is to the left and not aligned to the right. No changes on the back of this flip had been made.






PSA flip style 5. 200? - 200?
Note this is a rarely seen flip. Note the flip front is similar to styles 2 and 3. The letter and number font has changed back to the similar font used on styles 2 and 3. The grade alignment had changed back to the right. PSA also changed the red border on the flip's front. The white field within the red border no longer has rounded corners making the white field squared. The back of the flip has changed as well. The hologram on the back of the flip is gone and replaced with "A COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE COMPANY". The back logo and writing is now bonded to the inside of the plastic. The white PSA logo that was bonded to the outside of the plastic is changed as well. The back blue field is a light blue unlike all the styles preceding/proceeding this flip. The PSA logo is the same font lettering and positioning only now it is bonded on the inside of the plastic and is silver in color.



PSA flip style 6. 200?- February 12, 2008
This flip front is exactly like style 5. The back of this flip's field is now a much darker blue. Also the back has changed from style 5. The back had changed from "A COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE COMPANY" to "A DIVISION OF COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE NASDAQ CLCT" which is what is used to date. The PSA logo on the back is the same as style 5. The back of these flips are the same as present day flips. Also there were a very small number of half grades issued in this style flip before they moved the numerical grade below the descriptive grade(See style 7). There is a 1954 Ted Williams photographed in the SMR announcing the half grade launch which displayed as "NM-MT+ 8.5".





PSA flip style 7. February 12, 2008 - Present day
Note this is when PSA introduced the .5 grading system. The only change is the positioning of the grade number (9 is under Mint). No changes on the back of the flip.





if you have info on years or good examples or anything to add please post and let us all know. I think this thread could be very useful for people in the future.

I might go even further and do tall boy/larger sized, PSA/DNA, and wax/cello pack flips as well.

================================================== ====================================
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-06-2014, 06:04 PM
Sean1125 Sean1125 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 3,566
Default

Original post:
https://forums.collectors.com/messag...rentid=9881734
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-06-2014, 06:12 PM
Bosox Blair Bosox Blair is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,470
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean1125 View Post
I don't know who twiley is, but I do know that somebody basically plagiarized my work (linked above) and posted it on another forum...I'm pretty sure that was the guy. Maybe that is why his thread was deleted...

Cheers,
Blair
__________________
My Collection (in progress) at: http://www.collectorfocus.com/collection/BosoxBlair
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-06-2014, 06:24 PM
hangman62 hangman62 is offline
Ralph Gee
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: N.J.
Posts: 1,358
Default grade

How was that 52T card PSA8 NM MT ??

with two rounded corners and off center ??

come on man
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-06-2014, 06:25 PM
Exhibitman's Avatar
Exhibitman Exhibitman is offline
Ad@m W@r$h@w
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Beautiful Downtown Burbank
Posts: 13,106
Default

Here is the earliest SGC label I have:



Here is an earlier SGC from before they used 1-10 grades:

__________________
Read my blog; it will make all your dreams come true.

https://adamstevenwarshaw.substack.com/

Or not...
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-06-2014, 06:55 PM
I Only Smoke 4 the Cards's Avatar
I Only Smoke 4 the Cards I Only Smoke 4 the Cards is offline
Alex
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Florida
Posts: 2,114
Default

This was very informative. Thanks for sharing.
__________________
Tackling the Monster
T206 = 213/524
HOFs = 13/76
SLers = 33/48
Horizontals = 6/6

ALWAYS looking for T206 with back damage.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-07-2014, 12:18 PM
GregMitch34's Avatar
GregMitch34 GregMitch34 is offline
Greg Mitchell
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: New York City area
Posts: 2,419
Default

Any more on SGC labels???
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03-07-2014, 01:18 PM
novakjr novakjr is offline
David Nova.kovich Jr.
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: 20 miles east of the Mistake
Posts: 2,269
Default

No pictures, but this is what I was able to dig up about SGC flips/slabs. The dates are speculative..

(1) SG on the front(1998)
(2) SGC on the front, but no 1-10 grade(99-04)
(3) SGC on the front with 1-10 grade + gold label on the back(05-08)
(4) SGC on the front with 1-10 grade + SGC pressed into the back(09-current)

I read something about there maybe having been a change in the placement of the barcode on the "SG" flips. Don't know for sure though..

Also, a semi-related SBC flip(from 1988-90?). Apparently one of the SBC guys was involved in the early stages of SGC and they used many of the SBC concepts..

Last edited by novakjr; 03-07-2014 at 01:29 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
1952 national tea labels wtb sflayank 1950 to 1959 Baseball cards- B/S/T 0 05-26-2012 12:25 PM
SGC Labels BCauley Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 62 03-04-2010 11:05 AM
national tea labels Archive Postwar Baseball Cards Forum (Pre-1980) 0 08-05-2008 10:08 AM
New PSA Labels Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 11 02-13-2008 02:22 PM
Cracked Labels. Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 8 01-03-2006 07:54 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:24 AM.


ebay GSB