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Old 03-15-2009, 06:13 PM
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Default THANKS, BUT I STILL CAN'T FIND #109 CARD CLARKE DO YOU THINK BECKETT HAS THE WRONG # CARD?

Posted By: raymond g.

I am not familiar with 1911 S74 Silks. I cannot find it in the 2008 SCD catalog? I want to find its value, so I can get a fair price upon disposal! Thanks to anyone that can help identify and locate it in 08 SCD. Can this possibly have the wrong I.D. on the Beckett slap?
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Old 03-15-2009, 06:15 PM
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

1869-1980 section... the front.

Then alphabetically.

Find the S's.... then go until the T's start. Then back up about 3 sets. That should be S-74s.

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Old 03-15-2009, 06:22 PM
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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

I've never understood why the SCD book has the T- S- E- etc listings at the END of those letters alphabetically -- very counterintuitive. Anyways, look at the end of the S's and you will find the silks.

If the grade is due to the crease through the center, that is how they were issued so it shouldn't hurt the grade as much as any other set w/ a crease through the card.
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Old 03-15-2009, 08:45 PM
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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

I'm not sure why you are having a hard time. The card is a 1911 S74 White Silk Fred Clarke that still retains the backing. The #109 Beckett threw on the slab is meaningless. In the 2009 SCD the card lists in top shape for $300. You should expect between $140-275 for the item if the only thing really wrong with it is the crease that almost always is found on these cards.

Do yourself a favor and buy the SCD, the Beckett Almanac is a decent companion to the SCD but the SCD is unparalleled in its scope on prewar. If I was a modern card collector the exact opposite is true (ie Beckett is the place to go).
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Rhett, one of my more favorite words, counterintuitive... not even the great Net54 spellchecker is ready for it!!! And I agree, that just the letter should appear before that letter and any other combination of letters thereafter. At least that's how to do it alphabetically.

Raymond, Rhett is telling you right. You need to get the SCD catalog. And, get Mr. Lipset's Encyclopedia. DO NOT depend on the crap that the grading companies put on their labels. Instead, learn to identify the cards yourself. It's good to see an S74 with the backing. That's the way to try to collect them, that's how the old timer's did it.

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

Ray, I just checked in the Beckett Almanac and they have Fred Clarke listed as #109 in the set because they have the set broken down by teams and then alphabetically within the team. That is how a guy with the last name that starts with a "C" ends up at the end of the checklist.

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Posted By: Fred C

Is it my bad memory or am I recalling that the old price guides used to indicate that you would probably have to pay a "small" premium if you were to purchase a silk with a backing. I think the same was true for cards that had the coupons removed. I always laughed at this because even 30+ years ago you knew how difficult it was to find the item with the "little extra" still attached to it.


You can also look at the chronological listing in the SCD guide to tell you which page to find the checklist.

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