An interesting obituary about the only ...

[ValKehl]

MLB pitcher to ever pitch a nine-inning no-hitter, yet lose the game:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...b1f_story.html

[mark evans]

Thanks, Val. I have a vague recollection of Johnson's no-hitter.

Mark

[clydepepper]

It's always fun to see the Colt 45's Uni again. Johnson was an original Colt and also on the very first Atlanta Braves starting staff.
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[Paul S]

Andy Hawkins. I remember watching this on TV. (Copied & Pasted from Wikipedia):

On July 1, 1990, Hawkins pitched a game for the Yankees against the Chicago White Sox at Comiskey Park in which he allowed no hits, but lost the game having dominated the White Sox into the eighth inning, but after retiring the first two batters, Sammy Sosa reached on a fielding error by Yankees third baseman Mike Blowers. After Hawkins loaded the bases by walking the next two batters, Robin Ventura lofted a fly ball to left field. Rookie Jim Leyritz, fighting a blustery wind, had the ball glance off his glove for an error, allowing all three baserunners to score. The next batter, Ivan Calderón, hit a high fly ball to right field, which Jesse Barfield lost in the sun, dropping it for another error, allowing Ventura to score. The Yankees could not score in the ninth, giving Hawkins the loss despite not allowing a hit.

Major League Baseball does not consider this effort an official no-hitter, listing Hawkins as having only completed 8 innings pitched.[1] On September 4, 1991 the Committee for Statistical Accuracy, appointed by Commissioner Fay Vincent, changed the definition of a no-hitter to require that a pitcher must throw at least nine full innings and a complete game for the no-hitter to be official. Since Hawkins played for the visiting team, the White Sox never batted in the ninth inning, meaning Hawkins lost credit for a no-hitter. The game was also notable for being a double no-hitter into the sixth inning (and a double perfect game into the fifth), as White Sox starter Greg Hibbard also pitched very well.

[7nohitter]

Didn't Matt Young also lose a no-hitter to the White Sox?

[mybuddyinc]

"Major League Baseball does not consider this effort an official no-hitter, listing Hawkins as having only completed 8 innings pitched.[1] On September 4, 1991 the Committee for Statistical Accuracy, appointed by Commissioner Fay Vincent, changed the definition of a no-hitter to require that a pitcher must throw at least nine full innings and a complete game for the no-hitter to be official. Since Hawkins played for the visiting team, the White Sox never batted in the ninth inning, meaning Hawkins lost credit for a no-hitter. The game was also notable for being a double no-hitter into the sixth inning (and a double perfect game into the fifth), as White Sox starter Greg Hibbard also pitched very well."

Being a Baseball "purist" these rules that re-define "Complete" games have always pissed me off. Baseball games are determined by innings played. If your the visiting team pitcher that is behind in the ninth, you do not pitch the ninth, BUT it is a COMPLETE game. Same thing with rain (or whatever) shortened games. Even if the game is called after 4 and a half innings, it is a COMPLETE game. There are many pitchers who have "lost" a no hitter or perfect game based on these "anti-baseball rulings." Ridiculous !!! They are all, imo, no hitters or perfect games. If you want to put an astrix or put innings in parenthesis, that's fine.


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 7nohitter

Didn't Matt Young also lose a no-hitter to the White Sox?

Yeah same deal, he walked like a million batters and the Indians kept stealing bases and he lost pitching only 8 innings.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by mybuddyinc

"Major League Baseball does not consider this effort an official no-hitter, listing Hawkins as having only completed 8 innings pitched.[1] On September 4, 1991 the Committee for Statistical Accuracy, appointed by Commissioner Fay Vincent, changed the definition of a no-hitter to require that a pitcher must throw at least nine full innings and a complete game for the no-hitter to be official. Since Hawkins played for the visiting team, the White Sox never batted in the ninth inning, meaning Hawkins lost credit for a no-hitter. The game was also notable for being a double no-hitter into the sixth inning (and a double perfect game into the fifth), as White Sox starter Greg Hibbard also pitched very well."

Being a Baseball "purist" these rules that re-define "Complete" games have always pissed me off. Baseball games are determined by innings played. If your the visiting team pitcher that is behind in the ninth, you do not pitch the ninth, BUT it is a COMPLETE game. Same thing with rain (or whatever) shortened games. Even if the game is called after 4 and a half innings, it is a COMPLETE game. There are many pitchers who have "lost" a no hitter or perfect game based on these "anti-baseball rulings." Ridiculous !!! They are all, imo, no hitters or perfect games. If you want to put an astrix or put innings in parenthesis, that's fine.


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I also think it's fine to credit a pitcher with a complete game or no hitter even if his team loses and he doesn't have to pitch the 9th. The game was completed. I do not feel a pitcher should get that same credit if a game is called for weather after 5 or 6 innings. A 5 inning perfect game just isn't a perfect game to me.