PWCC Huigens Now Has a Criminal Defense Attorney

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Personal stuff is beyond the pale. Would anyone on the board appreciate personal stuff? I don’t think so. You may not like his client but no need to engage in ad hominem attacks.

Same question to you that I asked Jason. Where were you when Jeff was making personal attacks on Brent?

But, again, it's not a personal attack. It's to show that Jeff doesn't give a shit about anybody but Jeff. Many of you have had the wool pulled over your eyes and you're too blind to see it but, like I said, Jeff has you guys so fooled. You actually think he gives a shit about this hobby. What a bunch a puppets.

[bobfreedman]

Jeff will take his ball and take it home if we don't stop picking on him? If we dont stop picking on him, he wont give us updates. I am sorry but, he brought this upon himself. He was the one who made claims against Brent and PSA and now if we behave, we will be allowed to read his posts? BLECH!!!! I am sure I will be ok without them as most of what will come out will be public record anyway.

[Jason]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

Jeff will take his ball and take it home if we don't stop picking on him? If we dont stop picking on him, he wont give us updates. I am sorry but, he brought this upon himself. He was the one who made claims against Brent and PSA and now if we behave, we will be allowed to read his posts? BLECH!!!! I am sure I will be ok without them as most of what will come out will be public record anyway.

Agreed. I could care less if he comes on again and gives "inside " information on the case or anything for that matter. He chose his side on this one.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Jason

Agreed. I could care less if he comes on again and gives "inside " information on the case or anything for that matter. He chose his side on this one.

Anyone thinking he's going to give N54 insider info is.....well, just wrong. Laughable really. Anyone thinking that he's taken Brentsy's case out of the best interest of the hobby is...well, just wrong. Again, laughable. His interest lies in protecting PWCC...period.

Anyone think he took El Chapo's case because he cares about the drug crisis? Gotti's case because he's concerned about organized crime?

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Anyone thinking he's going to give N54 insider info is.....well, just wrong. Laughable really. Anyone thinking that he's taken Brentsy's case out of the best interest of the hobby is...well, just wrong. Again, laughable. His interest lies in protecting PWCC...period.

Anyone think he took El Chapo's case because he cares about the drug crisis? Gotti's case because he's concerned about organized crime?

Maybe he's just bad at judging character? Even Leon got fooled by the Mastro guys.

Jeremy W@goner.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

Maybe he's just bad at judging character? Even Leon got fooled by the Mastro guys.

Jeremy W@goner.

I think if you go back and look you will see I wasn't as much fooled as I took a wait and see approach. For the record, Mastro was never an advertiser on this forum. And lastly, if you go back and look, I can guarantee I never said either Mastro or Doug weren't guilty. I just wouldn't do that. It gets said so much it is believed but is far from the truth. Go spend some time and find it, you won't. Mostly it's little internet anonymous trolls that spread the lies and then folks like yourself believe them. It's ok, you aren't alone. I usually just let these kind of statements go but figure I might as well correct the incorrect record of some things. Now, that all said, of course both of those guys are charismatic. A lot of people committing fraud are. I should also say, at one time I admit I was friendly with Doug and Mastro but only in a few hobby scenarios.....and never knew they committed fraud until it came out they did. And in the end, except for restitution, got mostly what it seemed they deserved.

As far as Jeff defending Brent, while leading the charge against fraud in the hobby, I will let others discuss it.

[JeremyW]

I never said anything about advertisements. You thought they were your friends, but they turned out to be criminals. That's all I inferred. Not your fault. Criminals are nice to people that they make a lot of money from.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Jeff was attacking Brent concerning his actions in the hobby. I don't think you are using personal the way the rest of us are.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Jeff was attacking Brent concerning his actions in the hobby. I don't think you are using personal the way the rest of us are.

Yup, Jeff was attacking Brent concerning his actions in the hobby - in other words Brent's career, right? So what's the problem with me "attacking" Jeff about his career?

You certainly fell for Jeff's bullshit hook, line and sinker.

And I don't give a shit if Jeff doesn't update the board. You think he's really going to tell us anything that we can read somewhere else? Like he's going to give us some secret shit? Get real!

Do yourself a favor next time you're in the grocery store check out line. Grab you a National Enquirer and read it. It has more credibility than Jeff ever had.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Yup, Jeff was attacking Brent concerning his actions in the hobby - in other words Brent's career, right? So what's the problem with me "attacking" Jeff about his career?

You certainly fell for Jeff's bullshit hook, line and sinker.

And I don't give a shit if Jeff doesn't update the board. You think he's really going to tell us anything that we can read somewhere else? Like he's going to give us some secret shit? Get real!

Do yourself a favor next time you're in the grocery store check out line. Grab you a National Enquirer and read it. It has more credibility than Jeff ever had.

You really are special.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

You really are special.

Keep defending the married man sexting his girlfriend. The content of your character is really showing through.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I think if we took a poll I might edge you slightly in a content of our character contest. You seem to confuse "character" with "agreeing with you." I see it as being fair. Jeff's personal life has absolutely no bearing on the subject in which this board is interested. Bringing it up shows a lack of character.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I think if we took a poll I might edge you slightly in a content of our character contest. You seem to confuse "character" with "agreeing with you." I see it as being fair. Jeff's personal life has absolutely no bearing on the subject in which this board is interested. Bringing it up shows a lack of character.

Do you have morals at all? Does your moral compass know which direction north is?

[CuriousGeorge]

Do you people really think Jeffrey needs Brent's fee? He represents people whose fees are into the 7 and 8 figures and has zero financial need to represent Brent. What he does have is a love of the hobby and is in a unique position to try and do his part to help fix this as best as he possibly can.

Did you read what he has written about Brent before he took him on as a client? Do you think on a personal level and as a baseball card collector he feels any differently today? I can assure you his level of nausea is as high as all of ours is.

Although I am not privy to the innerworkings of exactly what is transpiring between all of the parties (Jeff, Brent, law enforcement, etc), I am as familiar as any of you are as to the type of person and attorney he is. It would completely go against everything I know about the guy my entire life if he is just going to accept some BS fee that he doesn't need to roll over on the hobby he loves so much.

In the few months since this has all come out, apparently significant amounts of restitution has been paid back to people f*cked over by Brent, Moser and the rest. Articles have appeared in the national media that might not have appeared otherwise. Word is slowly circulating throughout the hobby while Steve Sloan and PSA are putting out ridiculous propaganda pieces. Would you prefer Sloan's statements to be the authority on how this all plays out?

I know you're all pissed off and I am too. We all wish Brent would lose every penny he has, go out of business, and share a cell with Moser for the next 10 years. But the reality in this country is that is not likely to happen. But what I can assure you is that this is the early innings of a 9 inning game and I suspect there will be more to come. Try to think through this rationally....does a guy who represents John Gotti Jr and El Chapo need to take a case like this for the fee? Or is there more to this?

My suggestion to everyone, if possible, is to take a deep breath and let this play out. Stop attacking him for things that have nothing to do with the case as we all have skeletons in our closet and some here have skeletons in the hobby. When he was suing Mastro, leading the fight against Mastro, most of you were attacking him too – mainly because you were in bed with Mastro or because he had pointed out your own fraud. Try to see the bigger picture here and reread what he had to say about Brent a mere few weeks ago. While I am in no way insinuating he would ever do anything not in the best interest of his client, I suspect there is more here than you or I can know. Let's see where this goes in the next few months and I imagine we all could be pleasantly surprised.

[bobfreedman]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Do you people really think Jeffrey needs Brent's fee? He represents people whose fees are into the 7 and 8 figures and has zero financial need to represent Brent. What he does have is a love of the hobby and is in a unique position to try and do his part to help fix this as best as he possibly can.

Wrong wrong and wrong, he IS doing it for the money, he came on the board and said as much. He does not care about the hobby either, he cares about his collection. The only thing I agree with you is that we should not attack him personally but, I think that about anyone everyone on the board.

[japhi]

Will Mom be joing the forum to defend him next?

And the “does he need the fee” argument is ridiculous. I bet he is making his standard fee or more. And getting paid very handsomely. Which is his perogative, I couldn’t care less. God bless him, someone has to represent Brent. Does he need the fee, who knows, but unless he is working pro bono I will assume he is working for the fee.

Listen he was the guy crowing that Brent should go to jail and will be the one that ensures Brent doesn’t go to jail. Brents highest profile detractor is now his defender. To try and spin this as doing the hobby a favour is laughable.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Same question to you that I asked Jason. Where were you when Jeff was making personal attacks on Brent?

But, again, it's not a personal attack. It's to show that Jeff doesn't give a shit about anybody but Jeff. Many of you have had the wool pulled over your eyes and you're too blind to see it but, like I said, Jeff has you guys so fooled. You actually think he gives a shit about this hobby. What a bunch a puppets.

Oh, so lawyers really tend to "spin" things just to suit their needs and sway public opinion. I'm shocked!

[kateighty]

Paging Leon! Personal jabs here seem to be getting out of control! I might not agree with Jeff but even I'm wondering why these comments are being permitted.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think if you go back and look you will see I wasn't as much fooled as I took a wait and see approach. For the record, Mastro was never an advertiser on this forum. And lastly, if you go back and look, I can guarantee I never said either Mastro or Doug weren't guilty. I just wouldn't do that. It gets said so much it is believed but is far from the truth. Go spend some time and find it, you won't. Mostly it's little internet anonymous trolls that spread the lies and then folks like yourself believe them. It's ok, you aren't alone. I usually just let these kind of statements go but figure I might as well correct the incorrect record of some things. Now, that all said, of course both of those guys are charismatic. A lot of people committing fraud are. I should also say, at one time I admit I was friendly with Doug and Mastro but only in a few hobby scenarios.....and never knew they committed fraud until it came out they did. And in the end, except for restitution, got mostly what it seemed they deserved.

As far as Jeff defending Brent, while leading the charge against fraud in the hobby, I will let others discuss it.

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Yes he is my younger brother which only makes me even more infuriated that he would represent such a lying, slimy piece of garbage, who intentionally tried to f*ck me and did so to many of you. But all I can say now is grab of box of popcorn and watch this play out. Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war.

Originally Posted by kateighty

Paging Leon! Personal jabs here seem to be getting out of control! I might not agree with Jeff but even I'm wondering why these comments are being permitted.

Because everyone is putting their names on their comments.

[kateighty]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

Because everyone is putting their names on their comments.

There's a fine line though. Jeff has a wife and a family. Regardless of who agrees and disagrees and however we all feel there's no need to go there period when talking about another member.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by kateighty

There's a fine line though. Jeff has a wife and a family. Regardless of who agrees and disagrees and however we all feel there's no need to go there period when talking about another member.

I agree 100%. The only thing that I've said against Jeff was his interview on CBS when he said that El Chapo had been nice to him. As that it some excuse for all the crimes that El Chapo committed.

[kateighty]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

I agree 100%. The only thing that I've said against Jeff was his interview on CBS when he said that El Chapo had been nice to him. As that it some excuse for all the crimes that El Chapo committed.

Also agreed. In all seriousness if Jeff was all "yeah El Chapo is mean and a real jerk!" who knows if he'd be alive to represent Brent. I mean going from El Chapo to El Brento. Who would have thought.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

I agree 100%. The only thing that I've said against Jeff was his interview on CBS when he said that El Chapo had been nice to him. As that it some excuse for all the crimes that El Chapo committed.

And that is at least enough to have your full name out here, I would think? I know you but most others probably don't.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by Leon

And that is at least enough to have your full name out here, I would think? I know you but most others probably don't.

Sorry, I thought I let it be known when necessary.
Jeremy Wa@oner.