T206 Errors and Oddities.. Show Yours

[mrvster]

maybe something got in between the impression cylnder piece of debris?? that caused the embossing?? and in, turn, the impression picked up blue ink??

[vthobby]

After browsing this thread over the last few days, I got the "fever" and then found this nugget that ended tonite on the bay. All for the price of a night out at the movies!

Not only is it a cool oddity but its of one of the original "firemen": "Doc" Crandall who also pitched alongside "Matty".

Cool stuff.

Peace, Mike

PS Could someone tell me the correct term for this anomaly: Off set print? Print shift? etc.... please advise, thanks, mike

[Sean]

I refer to it as a Color Shift.

[mrvster]

"color shift" is the term we have been using! ....doc is a great card at a great price ~!

congrats!....nice error

[steve B]

Color shift works as well as any description.

The technical term is misegistration.

Stick with color shift.

And that's a nice one, that much displacement isn't common.

Steve B

[vthobby]

Thanks Sean, Steve, and MRVSTER for your help on that, can't wait to get "Doc" in the mail as I won it last night. Take care, mike

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by mrvster

maybe something got in between the impression cylnder piece of debris?? that caused the embossing?? and in, turn, the impression picked up blue ink??

+1.

Steve B.,

Any chance that a little string of dried ink got stuck on the printer? I have zero knowledge of the printing process, just thinking about what happens sometimes when you are using a can of paint for a long time...

[steve B]

Originally Posted by wolf441

+1.

Steve B.,

Any chance that a little string of dried ink got stuck on the printer? I have zero knowledge of the printing process, just thinking about what happens sometimes when you are using a can of paint for a long time...

The error is so odd I wouldn't rule it out at this point.

In general, some of the inks take a long time to fully dry, but they're "dry" very soon after printing. It runs through a set of rollers to spread it out evenly to ink the plate, and drips aren't common. A bit of overinking or spatter yes, huge gobs of ink allowed to harden? Not usually. And dried ink isn't very strong, the press should have crushed it if that happened.

I suspect a nail or bit of wire.

I've aslo spent a chunk of time looking at 1910 and earlier press patents. I'm almost rethinking the overall production entirely. Almost.

Steve B

[t206blogcom]

I was looking through my SLs when I noticed my Miller (Piedmont 350) had multiple crop marks. I've seen plenty that have the small marks on the center side/top/bottom and one or two with a horizontal line at the top. I haven't seen one that had a 'T' mark at the top like this one. It also has a right side crop mark, a center bottom crop mark and two small blue marks in the bottom right side border. Any others like this out there?

[steve B]

This one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...item3ce1ee8171

And this one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLY-MILLER...item5b04ab0c4d

Both show the spot on the lower right border and the fine white lines in the background. But they don't have the registration marks a prominently.

The registration marks were either removed or wore off the plate in use. But the border dot and the fine lines being on multiple copies make that an identifiable individual position on one sheet. Another bit of the puzzle.

Steve B

[t206blogcom]

Steve - I see the blue dot and bottom and side marks in your two examples, but not the 'T' at the top like on mine. That's what I'm curious about and haven't seen another one like this one.

[Jantz]

Jason

Not a Miller, but look at this Goode.


Jantz

[steve B]

Originally Posted by t206blogcom

Steve - I see the blue dot and bottom and side marks in your two examples, but not the 'T' at the top like on mine. That's what I'm curious about and haven't seen another one like this one.

The T at the top and the bottom and side marks are registration marks to help align the transfers used to lay out the plate. They should have been erased, but sometimes weren't. I've seen a few cards with big marks like the top T, and most have small remnants at the centers of the sides.

I think the large marks either wore off after a while, or were eventually erased by the press operator.

Even the smaller marks are often different on the same subject, and can be used to tell different positions apart.

Steve B