NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-17-2017, 09:22 AM
smotan_02's Avatar
smotan_02 smotan_02 is offline
$cotty @.utin
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Vicenza, Italy
Posts: 524
Default Same football game, two programs

Have any of you seen instances where there are two programs for the same game? Just came across two (sets) of 1952/1953 LA Rams programs from the same game with a different cover. Did this happen often?






Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
__________________
Always looking for Army-Navy and Army-Notre Dame tickets and programs from before 1930.

Vintage Army Football Collection
http://www.wix.com/armyautin/vintage-army-football

Last edited by smotan_02; 04-17-2017 at 09:24 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-17-2017, 06:15 PM
Hot Springs Bathers Hot Springs Bathers is offline
Mike Dugan
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,052
Default

Scotty- This very common and I have found tons of examples especially from the 1946-65 era in both the NFL and college football.

The Rams are the most prevalent that I have seen in the NFL. I collect programs from all of the Arkansas colleges large and small and see this quite often. The teams/schools ordered their covers from of several design companies by quantity say 5,000 at a time on up. The same thing on their center line-up pages which usually were bought very cheap based on advertising; Coca Cola, Chesterfield, etc.. On the collegiate level this leads you to find the same cover for consecutive games quite often.

The teams would have left over covers that they would add to the printing run for the next game.

When I was SID at a D-2 school I never bought covers since I liked having a local feel. I would however I did buy 16 page inserts covering college football to make the program thicker and to give buyers reading material. I used Touchdown Publications in San Francisco and they charged about 8 cents per insert. They were heavy in ads from car manufacturers and RCA, etc. You could but alcohol or non-alcohol inserts.

One year the SID from our rival which was directly across the street from us called me late one afternoon in a panic. He had taken the insert package to the local printer for binding. When they arrived he found a quarter page ad for a Las Vegas casino. No problem on my side of the street but he worked for a Southern Baptist school so the ad was a no-no. We spent the evening together pasting a hastily printed season schedule over the ad so that the program could be used the next day!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-17-2017, 06:48 PM
ooo-ribay's Avatar
ooo-ribay ooo-ribay is offline
Rob
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Salt Lake
Posts: 4,844
Default

Great info and story, Mike!
__________________
if you can help with SF Giants items (no cards), let me send you my wantlist!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-17-2017, 07:04 PM
ibuysportsephemera's Avatar
ibuysportsephemera ibuysportsephemera is offline
Jeff G@rf!nkel
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hudson Valley, NY
Posts: 1,496
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Springs Bathers View Post
Scotty- This very common and I have found tons of examples especially from the 1946-65 era in both the NFL and college football.

The Rams are the most prevalent that I have seen in the NFL. I collect programs from all of the Arkansas colleges large and small and see this quite often. The teams/schools ordered their covers from of several design companies by quantity say 5,000 at a time on up. The same thing on their center line-up pages which usually were bought very cheap based on advertising; Coca Cola, Chesterfield, etc.. On the collegiate level this leads you to find the same cover for consecutive games quite often.

The teams would have left over covers that they would add to the printing run for the next game.

When I was SID at a D-2 school I never bought covers since I liked having a local feel. I would however I did buy 16 page inserts covering college football to make the program thicker and to give buyers reading material. I used Touchdown Publications in San Francisco and they charged about 8 cents per insert. They were heavy in ads from car manufacturers and RCA, etc. You could but alcohol or non-alcohol inserts.

One year the SID from our rival which was directly across the street from us called me late one afternoon in a panic. He had taken the insert package to the local printer for binding. When they arrived he found a quarter page ad for a Las Vegas casino. No problem on my side of the street but he worked for a Southern Baptist school so the ad was a no-no. We spent the evening together pasting a hastily printed season schedule over the ad so that the program could be used the next day!
Excellent information. Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-17-2017, 08:55 PM
icollectDCsports's Avatar
icollectDCsports icollectDCsports is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 939
Default

Very cool to learn how these things were put together. Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-18-2017, 07:25 AM
smotan_02's Avatar
smotan_02 smotan_02 is offline
$cotty @.utin
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Vicenza, Italy
Posts: 524
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Springs Bathers View Post
Scotty- This very common and I have found tons of examples especially from the 1946-65 era in both the NFL and college football.

The Rams are the most prevalent that I have seen in the NFL. I collect programs from all of the Arkansas colleges large and small and see this quite often. The teams/schools ordered their covers from of several design companies by quantity say 5,000 at a time on up. The same thing on their center line-up pages which usually were bought very cheap based on advertising; Coca Cola, Chesterfield, etc.. On the collegiate level this leads you to find the same cover for consecutive games quite often.

The teams would have left over covers that they would add to the printing run for the next game.

When I was SID at a D-2 school I never bought covers since I liked having a local feel. I would however I did buy 16 page inserts covering college football to make the program thicker and to give buyers reading material. I used Touchdown Publications in San Francisco and they charged about 8 cents per insert. They were heavy in ads from car manufacturers and RCA, etc. You could but alcohol or non-alcohol inserts.

One year the SID from our rival which was directly across the street from us called me late one afternoon in a panic. He had taken the insert package to the local printer for binding. When they arrived he found a quarter page ad for a Las Vegas casino. No problem on my side of the street but he worked for a Southern Baptist school so the ad was a no-no. We spent the evening together pasting a hastily printed season schedule over the ad so that the program could be used the next day!
Great information Mike, thank you. I'll keep that in mind as I piece programs together.

If you don't mind me asking, what school were you with?

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
__________________
Always looking for Army-Navy and Army-Notre Dame tickets and programs from before 1930.

Vintage Army Football Collection
http://www.wix.com/armyautin/vintage-army-football
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-18-2017, 08:08 AM
Hot Springs Bathers Hot Springs Bathers is offline
Mike Dugan
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,052
Default

I was the SID at Henderson State University in Arkadelphia, Arkansas. The home of the Reddies. We were actually in the NAIA during my years 1978-89 but now they are in the NCAA Division II as members of the Great American Conference which is made of schools from Arkansas and Oklahoma.

Directly across the street is Ouachita Baptist University, we actually call it "on the other side of the ravine. It makes for a wild rivalry, the two stadiums sit opposite of each other and for some crazy reason the conference now schedules home games for the two schools on the same day. OBU kicks off at 1:00 so I can go catch the first half and then go across the street to see HSU play at their 3:00 kickoff. While my daughter was at the University of Central Arkansas in Conway about two hours away I could leave the Henderson game at the half and meet her there, I have seen quite a few triple headers.

When the two schools meet on the final day of the season it is quite a sight to see. When Henderson goes across the "ravine" as they will do this November, the State Police block off the road with lights flashing while the Reddie band and cheerleaders play the fight song as the players trail behind walking from to the game. The Henderson fight song Give Me that Old Reddie Spirit is to the tune of Give Me that Old Time Religion as Henderson was a Methodist school up until 1928. The OBU fight song is May the Circle Be Unbroken. During the game it often sounds like a revival meeting other than the ferocity that the two teams play with on that day. Those games attract well over 10,000 fans for two small schools, HSU has 3,500 students while OBU has 1,800.

Henderson's most famous football grad is Roy Green who played both ways for St. Louis in the late 70's and 80's while Ouachita proudly has Cliff Harris or "Captain Crash" of the Dallas Cowboys.

When I was at HSU we were in the Arkansas Intercollegiate Conference which had such colorful nicknames as the Arkansas Tech Wonder Boys (where I played briefly), the Muleriders of Southern Arkansas University and the Boll Weevils of UA-Monticello. Also the Harding University Bisons, yes with an "s", don't really know why??

The SEC and D-I football in general is fantastic but I also love the small schools. I traveled to Conway a few years ago to see Hendrix College play their first game since 1960 and to Batesville the next year to see Lyons college play their first game since 1951.

Sorry to be so long on this post.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-18-2017, 10:43 AM
tcornett tcornett is offline
Tim C
member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 94
Default

There were 2 different covers for the NFL championship game in 1955 as well.

I don't know about anyone else, but this description makes me want to go this game every year!


Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Springs Bathers View Post
I was the SID at Henderson State University in Arkadelphia, Arkansas. The home of the Reddies. We were actually in the NAIA during my years 1978-89 but now they are in the NCAA Division II as members of the Great American Conference which is made of schools from Arkansas and Oklahoma.

Directly across the street is Ouachita Baptist University, we actually call it "on the other side of the ravine. It makes for a wild rivalry, the two stadiums sit opposite of each other and for some crazy reason the conference now schedules home games for the two schools on the same day. OBU kicks off at 1:00 so I can go catch the first half and then go across the street to see HSU play at their 3:00 kickoff. While my daughter was at the University of Central Arkansas in Conway about two hours away I could leave the Henderson game at the half and meet her there, I have seen quite a few triple headers.

When the two schools meet on the final day of the season it is quite a sight to see. When Henderson goes across the "ravine" as they will do this November, the State Police block off the road with lights flashing while the Reddie band and cheerleaders play the fight song as the players trail behind walking from to the game. The Henderson fight song Give Me that Old Reddie Spirit is to the tune of Give Me that Old Time Religion as Henderson was a Methodist school up until 1928. The OBU fight song is May the Circle Be Unbroken. During the game it often sounds like a revival meeting other than the ferocity that the two teams play with on that day. Those games attract well over 10,000 fans for two small schools, HSU has 3,500 students while OBU has 1,800.

Henderson's most famous football grad is Roy Green who played both ways for St. Louis in the late 70's and 80's while Ouachita proudly has Cliff Harris or "Captain Crash" of the Dallas Cowboys.

When I was at HSU we were in the Arkansas Intercollegiate Conference which had such colorful nicknames as the Arkansas Tech Wonder Boys (where I played briefly), the Muleriders of Southern Arkansas University and the Boll Weevils of UA-Monticello. Also the Harding University Bisons, yes with an "s", don't really know why??

The SEC and D-I football in general is fantastic but I also love the small schools. I traveled to Conway a few years ago to see Hendrix College play their first game since 1960 and to Batesville the next year to see Lyons college play their first game since 1951.

Sorry to be so long on this post.
__________________
Always looking for Pirates and Steelers Memorabilia. Also interested in tickets, pennants and NFL championship game programs.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-18-2017, 11:02 AM
bigfanNY bigfanNY is online now
Jonathan Sterling
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,110
Default

The 1956 nba finals in Philadelphia have multiple covers. I have owned 2 different and seen 3 different covers for the Final game.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-18-2017, 01:25 PM
bbcard1 bbcard1 is offline
T0dd M@rcum
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Roanoke, VA
Posts: 3,318
Default

I am pretty sure Uncle Sam will have to undergo concussion protocol.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-19-2017, 09:35 PM
ooo-ribay's Avatar
ooo-ribay ooo-ribay is offline
Rob
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Salt Lake
Posts: 4,844
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbcard1 View Post
I am pretty sure Uncle Sam will have to undergo concussion protocol.
__________________
if you can help with SF Giants items (no cards), let me send you my wantlist!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-03-2017, 10:42 AM
smotan_02's Avatar
smotan_02 smotan_02 is offline
$cotty @.utin
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Vicenza, Italy
Posts: 524
Default

Ok Mike, how about this one. Dealt with alot of programs and never saw the teams not get printed on the center page. I'm sure it was a QA/QC miss, but how often do you think this would happen?

Note: this is from a 1959 TCU at Texas program.




Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
__________________
Always looking for Army-Navy and Army-Notre Dame tickets and programs from before 1930.

Vintage Army Football Collection
http://www.wix.com/armyautin/vintage-army-football

Last edited by smotan_02; 05-03-2017 at 01:54 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-03-2017, 01:22 PM
Hot Springs Bathers Hot Springs Bathers is offline
Mike Dugan
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,052
Default

Wow! Talk about an unhappy fan! I have no idea how often it happened/happens but all of us know how often our office copiers spit out blank sheets. What you have in your program is the ad insert the school purchased with the ad. These were almost free because the tobacco company or Coca Cola paid the distribution company for the ad.

Another anomaly I have seen is different page counts. At a Rams-49ers game back around 2000 I bought a program going in and like every collector I picked up a couple on the way out that were left in seats. My program had 128 pages, one of the ones I picked up had 88 pages. All of the local ads and copy were not included.

As a publication collector one of my current disappointments is the new wave of free programs, many pro teams and now several colleges just have dispensers at the entrances where you can pick a few "digest" size programs. From a business side of operations it appears the teams/schools are losing a ton of ad revenue with these freebies?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-09-2017, 10:25 PM
smotan_02's Avatar
smotan_02 smotan_02 is offline
$cotty @.utin
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Vicenza, Italy
Posts: 524
Default

One more for you...any guesses on the problem with this one?

Hint: No, it's not the blandest program on Earth.




Here is what it should have looked like:



Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
__________________
Always looking for Army-Navy and Army-Notre Dame tickets and programs from before 1930.

Vintage Army Football Collection
http://www.wix.com/armyautin/vintage-army-football

Last edited by smotan_02; 05-10-2017 at 09:10 AM.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Football Programs jefferyepayne Football Cards Forum 58 01-12-2017 11:46 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:42 AM.


ebay GSB