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Old 10-12-2017, 07:03 PM
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I have seen JSA pass some real slop lately, i hate to agree with the other poster, but perhaps you should try JSA instead. This is not an endorsement of JSA, but may get you the best chance of selling them for fair value.

Kevin Keating told me 2 years ago at the national after PSA failing a George Wright that he thought was good-"Go try JSA".
Did you? Whatever happened to your Wright? And is this any different than card guys grade shopping? They're all just opinions, after all, right?
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Old 10-12-2017, 09:19 PM
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Did you? Whatever happened to your Wright? And is this any different than card guys grade shopping? They're all just opinions, after all, right?
No, I did bring it back to PSA this year with new authticators and....it failed. However, PSA did not charge me again for failing and was explained why he thought it was no good. I still think it may be good but have since replaced it with a no doubter. IMHO, the difference between this and grading is there is much more wiggle room for grading. With this it is either good or no good. Obviously, certain opinions are worth more than others.
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Old 10-14-2017, 07:42 PM
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No, I did bring it back to PSA this year with new authticators and....it failed. However, PSA did not charge me again for failing and was explained why he thought it was no good. I still think it may be good but have since replaced it with a no doubter. IMHO, the difference between this and grading is there is much more wiggle room for grading. With this it is either good or no good. Obviously, certain opinions are worth more than others.
You wouldn't try it with JSA on ethical grounds, even when you are convinced it's good? I had no idea their reputation had gotten that bad that shopping something to them would feel like an ethical lapse.
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Old 10-15-2017, 02:04 PM
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You wouldn't try it with JSA on ethical grounds, even when you are convinced it's good? I had no idea their reputation had gotten that bad that shopping something to them would feel like an ethical lapse.
I actually had a great breakfast with Steve Grad Friday and talked to him about many things, including the Wright. Long story short, the Wright passed Beckett authentication. Based on the history of the signature coupled with I always thought it was good, I was not surprised.
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Old 10-15-2017, 05:43 PM
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I actually had a great breakfast with Steve Grad Friday and talked to him about many things, including the Wright. Long story short, the Wright passed Beckett authentication. Based on the history of the signature coupled with I always thought it was good, I was not surprised.
Happy ending! But I'm still confused as to why you didn't take Kevin's advice and run it by JSA since I guess they have a rep as easier to pass things. Kevin liked it, right?
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Old 10-16-2017, 10:17 AM
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Happy ending! But I'm still confused as to why you didn't take Kevin's advice and run it by JSA since I guess they have a rep as easier to pass things. Kevin liked it, right?
Again, this is just my 2 cents.

While JSA has great Customer Service, I am still not a fan. I was concerned that JSA would be like PSA at the time. They would take it "behind the curtain", two kids would fail it after looking at it for 2 seconds and I am out another $200. I was also concerned that JSA's reputation is going down and that the Cert won't be worth anything in 10 years.

Again just my 2 cents
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I look at this forum everyday. I think you guys are a great bunch.
I thank my lucky stars that I never have and never will collect autographs.
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The reality is that if you are going to collect virtually anything, there is going to be risk, unless you limit yourself severely.

Only buy autos you see signed in person.
Only buy cards you saw come directly from the pack
Only buy packs from the manufacturer.
Only collect stamps you buy from the Post Office.
Only buy cars/motorcycles you buy from the manufacturer
Only buy photos you saw the photographer take and develop
Only buy artwork you saw the artist create
and on and on and on.

The best defense for a collector is a combination of knowledge and scepticism.

The more you know the information about the collectible
The more you know where to get the information on the subject
The more people you know and trust who have knowledge on the subject
The more sceptical you are when evaluating a specific item's authenticity.

Knowledge so you know what you should be looking for in any one item. Scepticism to keep you from convincing yourself something is real because you want it to be real. You should enter into any evaluation assuming the item is fake and needing proof that it is real and not the other way around. If you can't find enough evidence that weighs in on the real side, pass.

No serious collector will ever say they got every item 100% correct. Perfection is unattainable unless you limit yourself as listed above, but if you can accept that a few mistakes are worth the enjoyment you get from all the correct decisions then there is no reason you can't enjoy collecting anything you like.
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