Update: What would you do...

Peter_Spaeth · #1 06-05-2019, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

Yeah, and he can just send it in to PSA for a regrade if he's uncertain. lol Yikes.

He can also sell it. Yes the uncertainty sucks I am with you there. Or he could send to SGC. They have a crossover special apparently.

T_Hamilton · #2 06-05-2019, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He can also sell it. Yes the uncertainty sucks I am with you there. Or he could send to SGC. They have a crossover special apparently.

This just masks the problem in my opinion. I would hate to make this someone else's problem by submitting to SGC and then trying to resell.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 06-05-2019, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

This just masks the problem in my opinion. I would hate to make this someone else's problem by submitting to SGC and then trying to resell.

Why do you think it's altered? And if you love the card why not ask SGC before you return it?

Peter_Spaeth · #4 06-05-2019, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

This just masks the problem in my opinion. I would hate to make this someone else's problem by submitting to SGC and then trying to resell.

Brent is going to resell it anyhow, so it is still someone else's problem.

T_Hamilton · #5 06-05-2019, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Brent is going to resell it anyhow, so it is still someone else's problem.

And if he does the hope is he takes the loss when it goes for less... and he has to live with the choices he has made.

I won't resell it knowing what we all know... and even if I did, do you truly think I would get the price I paid for it based on allegations, facts and evidence of his scam?

Peter_Spaeth · #6 06-05-2019, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

And if he does the hope is he takes the loss when it goes for less... and he has to live with the choices he has made.

I won't resell it knowing what we all know... and even if I did, do you truly think I would get the price I paid for it based on allegations, facts and evidence of his scam?

I know you won't do it. As for price, I doubt the scam affects much at this point. Very few guys would even research the card to tie it back to PWCC. We have seen in this forum at least one person annoyed that Brent took down a card from the current auction because he wanted to bid on it. More likely you wouldn't get the same price because PWCC gets higher prices than the rest of us.

T_Hamilton · #7 06-05-2019, 01:02 PM

As someone who has been pretty pissed off with this whole situation, I also wanted to keep the group informed...

I submitted a request to ebay and PayPal about an hour ago. PWCC responded right away with this message via ebay:

"Thank you for your participation in our auction and we understand your concerns and we are committed to address any and all issues like this. Please rest assured that for the vast majority of professionally graded items the cards are properly graded and their authenticity is not in question. If you have evidence that a card was altered, we will happily send it in to the grading company for their review and if there is a problem with the item you are entitled to a full refund through our Marketplace Guarantee. If you reach out to our customer service team at their email cs@pwccmarketplace.com we can begin the process for you. Thank you for your understanding."

Then within 30 minutes of receiving that message, I got this message (which would have saved us all a lot of time and pounding on our keyboards):

"Good news! Your return request is approved. The seller will provide you with a return shipping label to send the item back."

I hope we can get this hobby back to a place where it is fun... where we all have the feeling of ripping open packs as kids... and can move away from those trying to take advantage of the hobby and ruin beautiful artifacts of the past.

Leon · #8 06-05-2019, 02:21 PM

One small step...

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Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

As someone who has been pretty pissed off with this whole situation, I also wanted to keep the group informed...

I submitted a request to ebay and PayPal about an hour ago. PWCC responded right away with this message via ebay:

"Thank you for your participation in our auction and we understand your concerns and we are committed to address any and all issues like this. Please rest assured that for the vast majority of professionally graded items the cards are properly graded and their authenticity is not in question. If you have evidence that a card was altered, we will happily send it in to the grading company for their review and if there is a problem with the item you are entitled to a full refund through our Marketplace Guarantee. If you reach out to our customer service team at their email cs@pwccmarketplace.com we can begin the process for you. Thank you for your understanding."

Then within 30 minutes of receiving that message, I got this message (which would have saved us all a lot of time and pounding on our keyboards):

"Good news! Your return request is approved. The seller will provide you with a return shipping label to send the item back."

I hope we can get this hobby back to a place where it is fun... where we all have the feeling of ripping open packs as kids... and can move away from those trying to take advantage of the hobby and ruin beautiful artifacts of the past.

sportscardtheory · #9 06-05-2019, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

This just masks the problem in my opinion. I would hate to make this someone else's problem by submitting to SGC and then trying to resell.

And also, what if SGC says its trimmed or altered. Then what. You're stuck with a card possibly worth about a quarter of it's graded value/what you paid.