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I agree with this to an extent. The exception will be that the best quality and rare pieces will continue to go up. But I do question who will care to pay anything for a mid grade 1958 al Kaline in the future. |
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I agree that Al Kaline's rookie card won't mean much to anyone in 25 year. But the stuff at the top of the Heritage catalog will hold its value and likely appreciate. |
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Pointless to try and predict the future.
Collect what you like and can afford Drool over what you like and cannot afford Shine the rest
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Will all cards keep their value? Absolutely not. But many vintage will. Just because of supply an demand.
I personally never saw Mickey Mantle play but whenever I list his cards on ebay they sell very fast compared to some other players of the same decade. I suspect the same will hold true for many other players as well. But the modern market is a different beast, the supply is infinite. Just check the pop reports and see how many PSA 10's their are of Aaron Judge already.
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That's ok if you're a pure collector, but I, and I suspect a significant number of others are more "collestor," i.e., a hybrid, or cross between a collector and investor. Yes, we love our cards,but we also want them to increase in value over time.
Just my two cents worth, Larry |
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I would say that demographic fear is probably priced in to some degree. But there will always be a market. Stamps, toys, etc. But who knows. Here is my bullish view:
The availability to sell online provided liquidity and reduced transaction costs (no longer selling at a dealer haircut like the 80's and 90's, and having visibility in real time price discovery). The grading from TPAs, has created fungibility in cards, providing further transparency to "value". All of these factors have aided the upward stability of card prices, along with macro factors like monetary liquidity from global QE, improving unemployment, and yes a rising stock market. So I say there are many positive aspects of card collecting that makes it a fun asset diversification. And they are just plain kool to look at. |
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I tend to agree with Adam, and have been telling collectors since 1976 "when they ask" to "buy what they like" because the chances of making huge gains quickly is often slim to none. On the contrary, I have bought collections and items during a day at a show, and broke them up later in the day and sold them for a large profit. But every sports card dealer has such stories.
I find three types of collectors: 1 -- those that buy what they like or collect 2 -- those that are just investors, and 3 -- a combination of 1 and 2. I buy for resale and can spot a true #1, #2, or #3 immediately. But I also think that there will always be opportunity to make a killing if you pick the right items. Look at "Black Panther" which has made over $1 billion; did comic book collectors know that there early Black Panther comics would ever be worth big bucks? Collectors kept them, and now investors are jumping in. It can happen when you least expect it. Look what Shaq and Jordan and Gretzky did for their respective sports card collectors. My 2 cents: Collect what you like, and hope to make a profit someday, if that day ever comes. Steve |
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We've all got flip stories, Steve. Many of us have also won a round or two of PSA lotto (I just took a risk on a raw card that came back an 8 and parlayed $90 plus a grade fee into $750, if the card was to go for sale, which it isn't). I even pulled a pricey insert card out of a pack once (1997 Topps, pulled the Jeter signed insert; still one of my favorite cards).
My point isn't so much that money isn't/shouldn't be a concern as it is that the obsession over what card collecting will be like in 10-20-30 years from now based on financial concerns is just a bit silly in the context of a pasttime. Unless you (the hypothetical "you", not you specifically) are making a living on this, the idea of this should be a diversion from work and money and other real world concerns, as Burdick says in the intro to the ACC. If you're going to replicate the financial stress of retirement planning, get out of cards, put the money that 'has to' work for you in equities, and go to a stock chatroom instead of here.
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Separate that money. I'm a pretty avid golfer, but I don't buy a new driver or wedge every year. I'd rather buy cards. However I have buddies that spend money on new clubs of some sort every year. That is where they choose to spend their extra cash. Their retirement money is not tied up in clubs, and I'm sure they don't sit around hoping the M1 driver they bought a few years ago is worth more today than it was. It doesn't even enter into the discussion. I bought cards before the big money got in. I'll buy cards after the "crash" that so many folks believe will come. The fact that my hobby has increased in value is simply a pleasant byproduct, but not something I depend on or worry about.
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Prices
I'm still waiting for Beanie Baby prices to rebound.
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There are 5 versions of Rodin's "The Thinker" all in bronze which were created under his supervision. There is also the original production plasters of the statue. Jacques-Louis David painted 5 versions of "Napoleon at Saint-Bernard Pass" also known as "Napoleon Crossing the Alps" between 1801 and 1805. They are all about the same size at 2.6 x 2.2m. The differences are in the color of the cape and the background. All are considered originals. I saw the 1803 version at The Belvedere in Vienna, Austria in September. There are exceptions to every rule, but people state the mantra that art is 1 of 1 when there are many cases when it is just not true.
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The cream will always rise. The best cards (or memorabilia) of the best players, will always be considered "blue chip" material, and will always be in demand. Obviously they'll be peaks & valleys, but the better/best items will hold their value.
In addition to vintage, I think this can/will hold true for more contemporary items, such as important game used bats (Jeter, Trout, etc), uniforms, and some very limited production cards. |
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