Sir shill is at it again

[danmckee]

Look at the percentages bid with this seller on this puppy!

Would you pay $200+ for a recently made item??

http://www.ebay.com/itm/120788378920...84.m1426.l2649

[Ease]

They are original art pieces and very cool imo. Maybe not 200$ cool but...and they have a loyal following, which probably explains the "shilling".

[Leon]

I am in the wrong business. There were 5 bidders over $200. I guess there is a good demand for $200+ fantasy pieces, albeit very neat ones.

[Danny Smith]

They are cool and consistently go for strong prices. I would rather spend that money on a prewar card but they do have a very loyal group of buyers.

[JustinD]

I've been noticing the crazy prices those Helmars are going for. It seems any major players have averaged around 250, it's crazy prices for pieces that seem to have no collector value.

I have been sort of racking it up to misinformation. The winners have seemed to not have very high feedback scores, which leads me to believe they are not seasoned collectors buying these, but posssibly newbies who think these may be real pieces. I wonder what the return rate is? As we all know, people rarely read descriptions, glance at photos and blame the sellers for what they clearly did not notice.

As far as shilling on these, it's possible. However, I have always put shilling on the shoulders of stupid people. If someone gets shilled on the Bay it's their own fault. I only put the first bid in because I don't want people to end auctions early, if there is a previous bid I put it on my watch list to show interest to the seller. Then I either use "auction sniper" or if I have the time available, snipe it myself. Bidding against people during the span of an auction wastes money, time and encourages shilling. There is very little opportunity to shill a sniper (really only one...a reserve ).

[53Browns]

Yes they are cool, but they are fantasy pieces and I don't think they will every hold any real value over the long term. However, I suspect the people buying them think otherwise.

[ullmandds]

Whomever is creating these pieces is saavy...they create cards with new images...many negro leaguers/latin players with very few if any real...vintage cards. New, unusual poses of big name HOF'ers.

Personally I'd rather spend my money on these...than new shiny stuff. When placed in sheets or stacks with real...vintage cards...most people would never know the difference!

Also a good way to fill HOF holes in HOF collections of ultra rare/expensive players otherwise unattainable.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

When placed in sheets or stacks with real...vintage cards...most people would never know the difference!

I think that's the big problem right there.

Also why they are selling for several hundred each. I can bet we all will be seeing these represented as real pieces for many years to come by many shady folks.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Whomever is creating these pieces is saavy...they create cards with new images...many negro leaguers/latin players with very few if any real...vintage cards. New, unusual poses of big name HOF'ers.

Personally I'd rather spend my money on these...than new shiny stuff. When placed in sheets or stacks with real...vintage cards...most people would never know the difference!

Also a good way to fill HOF holes in HOF collections of ultra rare/expensive players otherwise unattainable.

I don't know. I'd rather spend $1 to buy a modern shiny Babe Ruth than >$250 for this one. Or I'd spend $250 for a shiny Jeter RC in PSA9 than this kind of card.