Barry Sloate's auction is UP ..... NOT!!! yet

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

<a href="http://www.sloateauction.com/</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.sloateauction.com/</a&gt;


It was up... now it's down... it will be back up in June.

edited title to be more specific...

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Posted By: barrysloate

Hal- you saw it before me. I'll go look now.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Barry:

Great graphics!!!

I love how you can really ZOOM IN on every card...

front AND back!

Gee... what a great concept. Just SHOW the card instead of trying to describe it in 900 words or less.

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Oh, my.

Look at those '38 Goudeys!

-Al

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Posted By: leon

Very nicely done.....good luck.....

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Posted By: barrysloate

Just a quick note to all that this is still in the editing phase and I wasn't aware it would be up this early. There will be some tweaking of images and corrections as we approach the first day of bidding. Thank you.

Bill Goodwin's rules are in my rules section and they are coming down shortly. We jumped the gun here.

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Posted By: Cat

I looked late last night (11:00 PST) and it wasn't up yet, so Hal must of been hitting refresh every 10 minutes or so. You probably already saw this, but Eppa Rixey's M101-5 is Bancrofts's card.

Barry, I know you may feel like the gun was jumped, but this is REAL SWEET. I'll be calling on day 2 of the auction, since Day 1 may be hectic.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Hal, thanks for the tip. Which cards do you think we should bid on the most?

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Posted By: barrysloate

Hi Cat- I did see the Rixey/Bancroft photo plus a few other edits to work on. The gun was jumped because I am still learning how to use the site. But I'm glad everyone will get a chance to see it.

I don't think we will be doing any registration until Monday, June 4 at the earliest. Scheduled first day of bidding is June 7, but we may push it up if we feel everything is in place. It will all run smoothly when we begin- just not ready today.

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Posted By: bigfish

Great stuff. Can't wait for the bidding to begin.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

and I know this subject has been beaten to death but just what is a "rookie" card?

You have Bancroft as a "rookie" yet he appears first in the 1912 Zeenut series. Admitedly that is PCL and not "major" league so is that the distinction?

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Posted By: Joe D.

Steve,
IMO - Minor league cards are not rookie cards.
Rookie cards are first major league cards.

Barry... the site looks great!


Jeff -
the answer is all of them?

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Posted By: chris bland

If minor league cards are not considered rookie cards, then the Buck Weaver Obak card should not be listed as his rookie.

I personally disagree with a lot of the "rookie" designations in the auction (For example, a 1928 Carl Hubbell R315 was auctioned by Barry on ebay as a rookie but in this auction a 1933 Sport Kings Hubbell is labeled as a rookie as well) but, but this is a topic where a ton of different opinions exist, and I don't know if any one opinion is right or wrong...

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Posted By: barrysloate

Chris- you're right, but if you read the text I referred to it as pre-rookie. I admit I used the term loosley, partly for marketing but also because we don't really have a unanimous definition of a rookie card. You can disagree with Bancroft's M101-4 being his rookie, yet still bid on it.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Steve:

The lot description of the Bancroft specifies that it is his first "Major League" appearance on a baseball card.

The minor league cards are often called "PROOKIE" cards (short for "pre-rookie) on this board.

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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth

Hal,

Will you be bidding?

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Posted By: chris bland

Barry,

I think the Weaver description is fine (I personally consider minor league cards as rookies anyway)- I was just responding to Joe's post.

I do think calling a Sport Kings Hubbell his rookie card is inaccurate however.

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Posted By: Scott Elkins

I remember that E101 Matty Hal and the PSA 8 Tom Barker Jackson! Great card for the grade. Too bad I don't have $30k lying around for that Jackson however - Barry could have hid that one somewhere else besides being Lot #1.

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Posted By: MVSNYC

barry- site looks great and so do the cards!

nice T206 rare backs...

dissapointed to see that you still have not turned around the homeplate in your logo...it should face down!!!

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Posted By: barrysloate

Hubbell's first nationally distributed cards were issued in 1933, both by Goudey Gum. If everyone feels this is way off base, I can still edit the website.

I used the term rookie in two cases; 1) where there is no debate, such as the E90-1 Jackson; 2) where there is at least some reasonable argument that it was the player's first distributed card.

Look at the debate we had recently on the Cobb rookie- we had about ten different candidates.

And to add, yes I have recently sold more than one card of a player where I called it a rookie. I try to distinguish between a nationally distributed issue vs. a very minor or obscure one. If you ask me do I know every player's rookie card, no I don't. I still think the N172 is Nichols rookie, and nearly everyone disagrees.

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Posted By: chris bland

The description for these two auctions seem to be pretty much the same:

http://www.sloateauction.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=88

and

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120106918196

With that in mind, I dont see how the Sport Kings Hubbell is his rookie card.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Fine- we're still editing and I will make a change on the website regarding the Hubbell. The catalog, however, is already printed.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Barry, where's the memorabilia???

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Barry, what is your position on "preparing" cards for auction?

Do you have any cards that were re-certified by PSA?

Please read these questions in a harsh tone - I still need some help with my questioning skills but I'm working on the problem.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Jeff, will you still remember us when you have your own show on Fox?

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Posted By: Jason L

great photos!!!
best of luck to you

In the descriptions, just to give yourself one less headache, simply add lines such as, "Some people think it's his rookie card" or "May be the player's most significant card" or "This is his rookie card, for most people" ...some general stuff like that...!

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jeff- all my cards have been personally cleaned by me using a Brillo soap pad, to get that nice rough finish collectors like.

On a more serious note, we're going to shut the site down in about an hour and reopen it early next week. There is some confusion with people trying to bid and we are just not ready. It will be back up early next week. Thanks in the mean time for the kind words.

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Posted By: Jim Clarke

Joe D.... You do not think Minor league cards are rookies? Is a minor league team professional? Plus do the players get paid? I would have to disagree with you on your opinion. Minor league cards starting with Hancock from 19th century all the way up to 2007 team issued cards should be considered a rookie card of the player. Now if you were to say Derek Jeter "Little Sun" High School card was not a rookie card than that might be debatable. I thnks that Joe Dimaggio's rookie card is his Zeenut card. How about Buck Weaver playing for San Fran in 1910? The Bishop team card and Obak cabinet come to mind.

JC

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Posted By: dennis

according to becket the whole goudey set of 1933 is rookies and if you did not appear in a goudey set ('33-38) your cards are not "true" rookie cards!

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Posted By: Joe D.

those are all very cool cards... but they are not rookies in my eyes.

When a player goes to the major leagues for the first time - he is considered a rookie. It does not matter that he got paid for three years or so in the minor leagues.... the announcers, the general public, his teammates, etc. will call him a 'rookie' becuase it is his first year in the majors.

I treat cards the same way - first major league card is the rookie.

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Posted By: barrysloate

This is why there is some gray area regarding my use of the term "rookie." There is no standard that everyone adheres to.

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Posted By: Mark

Can I return the R315 if the '33 is Hubbell's real rookie?

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Posted By: barry arnold

WOW!!!
What an incredible display of beauty!

all the best,Barry S.



Barry

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Posted By: Paul

HOW COME EVERYONE IN THE WORLD CAN SEE BARRY'S AUCTION EXCEPT ME???????

I get a message saying there are no auctions to display -- and lots of other cool error messages depending on what tab I hit.

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Posted By: Cobby33

I can't get in? Keep getting error messages.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

So, if we follow Joe's analysis, then a player who never made it to the big show would never have a "rookie" card. And, what if, a player who made it to the majors but does not appear on any card while in the majors but appears on a minor league card he too would never have a "rookie" card even though at one time he was, under an above definition, a "rookie"?

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Posted By: Mark

"Preliminary bidding will end at 9:00 PM Central on the auction closing date Thursday, May 31, 2007. If you have not bid on an item before 9:00 PM Central, May 31, 2007, you cannot bid on that item after 9:00 PM Central."

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Posted By: Joe D.

that is exactly my position.


I would like to say that in many cases, I think the prookie is cooler / more desireable than the rookie. So this is not an opinion on value. Just semantics I guess.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

but according to Joe your E221 San Fran team card and your T4 Weaver are NOT rookie cards. Buck's true rookie is the T207. Now if you want his true rookie card I'll be pleased to trade you my T207 for either the E221 or the T4.

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Posted By: leon

I will trade you my E221 with Weaver for your T207 Weaver, as long as it has a Red Cross ad on the back....I can always use a dupe....If I am not mistaking JC has a dupe E221 but it's not with Weaver.....One of my best ebay wins yet was that E221....so glad it was in the correct minor league only category...It probably would have cost me more...and I could barely afford it in the first place...(sorry we hijacked the thread a little but at least it's still about vintage baseball cards)..regards

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Posted By: barrysloate

Paul and Cobby- we shut it down until we are ready to start. It will be back up either Tuesday or Wednesday. It simply isn't finished yet and there is much editing to do. It was launched prematurely and was creating confusion. There was even a test bid put in to see if it worked and it gave the impression that bidding had begun. I decided better to relaunch when we are ready.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Now look at Leon showing off his his E221's and hijacking my thread. There is nothing worse than someone digressing from the main post!!

Just for that I'm presenting a Seinfeld quiz (is it possible to hijack my own thread): Remember the actress who wouldn't taste Jerry's pie, and he likewise wouldn't taste Poppy's pizza? She actually appeared in an earlier episode- which character did she play?

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Posted By: Steve Murray

Yes, I remember that pick-up. Outstanding!!

My Weaver (SGC 50) is a Broadleaf.

No hijacking here. Barry deserves all the bumps we can give him. Good luck Barry!

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Posted By: Steve Murray

Suzanne Snyder played Audrey.

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Posted By: barrysloate

She also played the Nazi in the back of the limousine when George pretended to be O'Brien and Jerry pretended to be Murphy (and her partner was a then unknown Peter Krause, who would later play the lead character in "Six Feet Under").

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Dan, I've been pitching a show to Fox entitled "The Real Secrets of the Vintage Baseball Card Auction Houses" with little success.

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Posted By: Joe D.

Maybe you should not have pitched the show
with the proposed name of "Trimmed Johnsons"

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Posted By: JK

Jeff,

Perhaps you should pitch it as a reality show in which, after weeks of successfully completing grueling tasks such as soaking, pencil erasing, recoloring, corner building, etc., the winner gets to apply all of his new found altering skills by cutting up a new sheet of T206s that, while only printed in the 50s, is a perfect match for the real thing. Of course, this sheet will contain a wagner, plank or both.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Hey Joe P.- everyone is hijacking my auction thread. Where are you when I need you to help me out? This is a pretty disrespectful bunch, don't you think?

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Posted By: Cobby33

I haven't seen the JFK golf clubs, nor the piece of wedding cake from the wedding of one of the most dashing and romantic Nazi sympathizers of the entire British Royal family.