HOFers per set--Team building exercise!

[familytoad]

Forgive me for being lazy and not counting these myself but this could also be fun *and* informative...and serve as a team building exercise

How about a list of the mainstream T and E sets (or others) ...and count of how many Hall Of Famers are in each set ? (count multiple poses individually but not backs)

I can start with a couple sets some of which are certainly debatable...(It's not generally too tough to find a debate on this board so let's do it!)

E210 York Caramel Type 1= 31/60 or ~52%
T206 White Borders = 76/524 or ~14%
E95 Philadelphia Caramel =10/25 or ~40%
T205 Gold Borders=
T204 Ramly=
1933 DeLong=
1933 Goudey=
1934 Goudey=
E121 American Caramel=
1934-36 Diamond Stars=
E93 Standard Caramel=

The list could get long and these sets are obviously just a small portion of our beloved collectable sets.
What do you all think?

[Bosox Blair]

E92 Dockmans = 11/40 = 27.5%
E97 Briggs = 3/30 (if you count Young as Cy and not Irv) = 10%

Cheers,
Blair

[Section103]

Could be wrong, but I believe there are 30 HOFers in the Diamond Stars set.

[Robextend]

E93: 18/30 = 60%
DeLong: 15/24 = 62.5%

Edited to add one of my favorite Pre-War sets E91

E91A: 12/33 = 36%
E91B: 11/33 = 33%
E91C: 6/33 = 18%

[Leon]

T231 Fans Cigarettes- 50% HOF'ers......

[Rob D.]

16 of the 30 cards, 53 percent, in the 1933 Butter Cream set are Hall of Famers.

[terjung]

1933 Goudey = 64/240 or ~ 27%

[calvindog]

Rob, I think that your signature line is taunting me and is disrespectful. And now it has caused this thread to go off topic. PM sent.

[barrysloate]

T227 Champions= 4 out of 4= 100%

[Griffins]

Lajoie Game set, red and blue decks.
2/2 (or 154/154)= 100%

[brianp-beme]

D304 General Baking = 12/25 48%
E102 = 10/29 34.5%
E220 National Caramel = 27/120 22.5%
W514 = 27/120 22.5%

Brian

[tiger8mush]

If I counted correctly ...

M101-2 = 39/100 = 39%

I counted the 6 team issues as HOFers since they have HOFers on the team. Its amazing how top-loaded the issue is, as most of the HOFers appear in earlier issues of the print run.

Rob

[fkw]

W554 72% (13/18 and O'Doul)

W517 63% (34/54 and O'Doul)

[Jacklitsch]

C46

2/90=2.222%

[familytoad]

Here's what our team has so far! Several unrepresented sets still available for your assistance!

Card Set HOFers Total Cards PCT

• 1933 Butter Cream 16/ 30 =53.3%
• 1933 DeLong 15 /24 =62.5%
• 1933 Goudey 64/ 240 =26.7%
• 1934 Goudey
• C46 Imperial Tobacco 2 /90 =2.2%
• D304 General Baking 12/ 25 =48.0%
• 1934-36 Diamond Stars 30 /108 =27.8%
• E102 10 /29 =34.5%
• E210 York Caramel 31 /60 =51.7%
• E220 National Caramel 27 /120 =22.5%
• E91A 12/ 33 =36.4%
• E91B 11 /33 =33.3%
• E91C 6 /33 =18.2%
• E92 Dockmans 11/ 40 =27.5%
• E93 Standard Caramel 18 /30 =60.0%
• E94 George Close Candy
• E95 Philadelphia Caramel 10 /25 =40.0%
• E96 Philadelphia Caramel
• E97 Briggs 3/ 30 =10.0%
• E98
• Lajoie Game (Red & Blue) 154 /154 =100.0%
• M101-2 Sporting News 39/ 100 =39.0%
• T3 Turkey Reds
• T204 Ramly
• T205 Gold Borders
• T206 White Borders 76/ 524 =14.5%
• T207 Brown Borders
• T227 Champion 4/ 4 =100.0%
• T231 Fans Cigarettes 1/ 2 =50.0%
• W514 27/ 120 =22.5%
• W517 34 /54 =63.0%
• W554 13 /18 =72.2%

[soxinseven]

Not sure if it's considered mainstream:
E253 Oxford Confectionery 14/20= 70%
Steve

[brianp-beme]

E98 = 17/30 57%
R320 1934 Goudey = 20/96 21%

Brian

[Kotton King]

Another gap to fill.

T216 (Kotton, MINO, Virginia Extra).

Complete 36/104 = 34.6% (this includes all print/caption differences in the set)

Now, if you are only concerned about the different player images and don't care for the print/caption variations, the total number of images used is different. Then you're looking at 22 different HOFer fronts, instead of 36. And if you apply this same criteria to all the the cards in the set, the total number of different player fronts drops from 104 to 73 (taking out the print/cation differences in the entire set).

So then you have 22/73 = 30.1% (if print/caption differences on the same cards are removed)

If anyone cares or wants to know, I can break it down further.

[leftygrove10]

According to my research when I put together my website, there are 32 HOFers in the 1934-36 Diamond Stars set. (See link below.)

http://www.bandkgreen.net/diamond_st...lloffamers.htm

So, that's 32 out of 96. The high numbers (97-108) have some HOFers, but they're in the low number series as well.

[brianp-beme]

I would do the E121 sets, but that would be brain work, so instead I offer the much simpler E120:

E120 = 35/240 15%


Brian

[glenv]

1914 Cracker Jacks have 31 HOFers in 144 cards
The 15's only have 32 out of 176
However, if looking at expensive cards in the set, one can't forget about Joe Jackson...

[Bridwell]

Here's a few more for your list, from the PSA registry site that shows HOF "sets":

T207 13/200 or 6.5%
T3 25/100 or 25%
T205 28/221 of master set, or 12.7%
Diamond Stars shows 37/108 for 34.3% incl high #s
1915 CJ 32/176 or 18.2%

Also, T211 is probably 0% (0 of 75).
Take care,

Ron R

[rhettyeakley]

1932 Zeenuts 0/120 0%

[M's_Fan]

Anyone know how many HOF'ers are in the 1914 and 1915 Cracker Jack sets?

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by M's_Fan

Anyone know how many HOF'ers are in the 1914 and 1915 Cracker Jack sets?

Check 3 posts above yours...

Cheers,
Blair

[M's_Fan]

Originally Posted by Bosox Blair

Check 3 posts above yours...

Cheers,
Blair

Thanks! Didn't see that. Brian, you should edit your original post to include all of the subsequent updates. This is a very useful thread.

[FrankWakefield]

T210 Old Mill red borders 1/640 = 0.15625%

[Irwin Fletcher]

I don't think anyone posted about 1935 Goudey 4-in-1 yet (one of my favorite sets).

I guess the HOFers could be counted in different ways for this set, since there are four players featured on each card.

By my count, there are 138 different players in the set (144 total images, but Bottomley, Cochrane, Comorosky, Mancuso, Kamm, and Brandt each appear twice). 33 of those players are HOFers, so:

33/138 = 22.5%

Another way to look at it is that there are 36 cards in the set and at least one HOFer appears on 22 of them, so:

22/36 = 61% of the cards feature at least one HOFer

[familytoad]

Thanks for all of the help guys! I will try re-editing the list when I get home from work.

I'm glad that you find this list useful. Someday I hope to type out all of the HOFers by name as well...but baby steps, man...baby steps!

[Peter_Spaeth]

1932 U.S. Caramel -- I believe it is 23 of 26 baseball players.

[FrankWakefield]

E102 10/29 = 34.48%

[familytoad]

Here is an updated list..still more work to do ( no offense, but in this table I chose not to include the sets feature minor leagues only ie T211 Red Sun, Zeenuts etc but feel free to look through those sets and see what HOFers you can find...)

· 1914 Cracker Jack 31/144=21.5%
· 1915 Cracker Jack 32/176= 18%
· 1932 U.S. Caramel= 23/26 =88%
· 1933 Butter Cream 16/ 30 =53.3%
· 1933 DeLong 15 /24 =62.5%
· 1933 Goudey 64/ 240 =26.7%
· 1934 Goudey 20/96 =21%
· 1935 Goudey 22/36 =61%
· C46 Imperial Tobacco 2 /90 =2.2%
· D304 General Baking 12/ 25 =48.0%
· 1934-36 Diamond Stars 37 /108 =34.3%
· E102 10 /29 =34.5%
· E210 York Caramel 31 /60 =51.7%
· E220 National Caramel 27 /120 =22.5%
· E91A 12/ 33 =36.4%
· E91B 11 /33 =33.3%
· E91C 6 /33 =18.2%
· E92 Dockmans 11/ 40 =27.5%
· E93 Standard Caramel 18 /30 =60.0%
· E94 George Close Candy ?
· E95 Philadelphia Caramel 10 /25 =40.0%
· E96 Philadelphia Caramel ?
· E97 Briggs 3/ 30 =10.0%
· E98 17/30 =57%
· E120 35/240= 15%
· E253 Oxford Confectionery 14/20= 70%
· Lajoie Game (Red & Blue) 154 /154 =100.0%
· M101-2 Sporting News 39/ 100 =39.0%
· T3 Turkey Reds 25/100 =25%
· T204 Ramly ?
· T205 Gold Borders 28/221 =12.7%
· T206 White Borders 76/ 524 =14.5%
· T207 Brown Borders 13/200= 6.5%
· T216 (Kotton, MINO, Virginia Extra) 22/73 = 30.1%
· T227 Champion 4/ 4 =100.0%
· T231 Fans Cigarettes 1/ 2 =50.0%
· W514 27/ 120 =22.5%
· W517 34 /54 =63.0%
· W554 13 /18 =72.2%

[brianp-beme]

D322 Tip Top Bread 3/25 = 12%
E90-2 American Caramel 2/11 = 18.2%
E90-3 American Caramel 5/20 = 25%
E92 Crofts Cocoa/Candy 15/50 = 30%
E92 Nadja 17/62 = 27.4%
E101 14/50 = 28%


Brian

[brianp-beme]

E94 10/30 = 33.3%
E96 Philadelphia Caramel 8/30 = 26.7%


Brian

[brianp-beme]

E90-1 American Caramel 30/118 = 25.4%
E103 Williams Caramel 11/30 = 36.7%


Brian

[uffda51]

Actually there are now, as of 2008, three D322 Tip Tops in the HOF, though only two are players. Wagner, Clarke and the newly elected team owner, Barney Dreyfuss.

The Mascot didn't make the cut.

[brianp-beme]

R300 George C. Miller 19/32 = 59.4%

Brian

[familytoad]

Thanks for all of the help. A couple of you guys did a bunch of the heavy lifting on this list...who's gonna tackle Old Judge, Playball, later Goudeys, r314, r315 etc??

• 1914 Cracker Jack 31/144=21.5%
• 1915 Cracker Jack 32/176= 18%
• 1932 U.S. Caramel= 23/26 =88%
• 1933 Butter Cream 16/ 30 =53.3%
• 1933 DeLong 15 /24 =62.5%
• 1933 Goudey 64/ 240 =26.7%
• 1933 George C. Miller 19/32 = 59.4%
• 1934 Goudey 20/96 =21%
• 1935 Goudey 22/36 =61%
• C46 Imperial Tobacco 2 /90 =2.2%
• D304 General Baking 12/ 25 =48.0%
• D322 Tip Top Bread 3/25 = 12%
• 1934-36 Diamond Stars 37 /108 =34.3%
• E101 14/50 = 28%
• E102 10 /29 =34.5%
• E120 35/240= 15%
• E210 York Caramel 31 /60 =51.7%
• E220 National Caramel 27 /120 =22.5%
• E90-1 American Caramel 30/118 = 25.4%
• E90-2 American Caramel 2/11 = 18.2%
• E90-3 American Caramel 5/20 = 25%
• E91A 12/ 33 =36.4%
• E91B 11 /33 =33.3%
• E91C 6 /33 =18.2%
• E92 Dockmans 11/ 40 =27.5%
• E92 Crofts Cocoa/Candy 15/50 = 30%
• E92 Nadja 17/62 = 27.4%
• E93 Standard Caramel 18 /30 =60.0%
• E94 George Close Candy 10/30 = 33.3%
• E95 Philadelphia Caramel 10 /25 =40.0%
• E96 Philadelphia Caramel 8/30 = 26.7%
• E97 Briggs 3/ 30 =10.0%
• E98 17/30 =57%
• E103 Williams Caramel 11/30 = 36.7%
• E253 Oxford Confectionery 14/20= 70%
• Lajoie Game (Red & Blue) 154 /154 =100.0%
• M101-2 Sporting News 39/ 100 =39.0%
• T3 Turkey Reds 25/100 =25%
• T204 Ramly ?
• T205 Gold Borders 28/221 =12.7%
• T206 White Borders 76/ 524 =14.5%
• T207 Brown Borders 13/200= 6.5%
• T210 Red Borders 1/640 =0.15% (Hi Frank)
• T216 (Kotton, MINO, Virginia Extra) 22/73 = 30.1%
• T227 Champion 4/ 4 =100.0%
• T231 Fans Cigarettes 1/ 2 =50.0%
• W514 27/ 120 =22.5%
• W517 34 /54 =63.0%
• W554 13 /18 =72.2%

[brianp-beme]

World champion heavyweight lifter of cardboard.

W574 6/29 = 20.7%
E107 Breisch-Williams 23/147 = 15.6%
E300 Plow's Candy 18/68 = 26.5%
E-Unc 1910 Orange Borders 11/30 = 36.7%

[brianp-beme]

m101-5 34/200 = 17%

Brian

[brianp-beme]

m101-4 33/200 = 16.5%
m116 Sporting Life 32/287 = 11.1%

Brian (thread not die guy)

[familytoad]

A power lifter!
Thanks for the outstanding effort!
There are a few really good threads going around right now, and for the most part not too much abrasiveness...so this bumpage is just to keep our team's thread (wink wink) from falling to the abyss of page two or beyond.

I will try to update the master list tomorrow... Too tired now as I just returned from the AAA Portland Beavers Opening Night against the Sacramento River Cats (Oakland affiliate) where our beloved Beavers were dammed by A's prospect Vin Mazzaro. Keep an eye on this youngster you fantasy leaguers in deep leagues...He's nasty!

G'Night!

[brianp-beme]

I was searching for something else on Net54 and I came across this fun thread from over a decade(!) ago started up by another distinguished Brian gentleman.

I may be a little late, but here is another set:

1933 Tattoo Orbit 18/60 =30.0%


Brian (I will go back to lifting those heavy weights)

[familytoad]

I remember this thread. Not just because I started it with the intention of having several different guys write about and tally up their favorite sets but because I really wanted a master list.

I could have hit the Googles or the Bings and done it all , alone in my office.
I thought it would be more fun this way.

So thank you BP, card fellow fellow. Your resuscitation is appreciated.
Just think, some sets may have added HOFERS in the past decade+.
So you can always add to / or correct a set previously compiled or tally another one.

Trivia= who were the Prewar HOFers elected in the last ten years and which sets did they add to the ledger above?

[Casey2296]

E98 17/30
Or is it 16/30 because that bum Irv Young is masquerading as Cy Young?

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

E98 17/30
Or is it 16/30 because that bum Irv Young is masquerading as Cy Young?

Definitely the makers of E98 intended this card to be identified as Cy Young, due to the Cleveland team designation, a team Irv never played for. Unfortunately they chose Irv's image, either in error, or because they were rat bastards.

A similar but different case is the E93 of Collins. I believe Standard Caramel intended the card to be identified as Jimmy Collins, as the photo used was of Jimmy. Because both Eddie and Jimmy Collins were on the 1908 Philadelphia A's team, I believe in later years when this set was being catalogued an error was made in identifying it as Eddie, the player who had the better career and was undoubtedly more well known at that time.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Another couple for the list:

1936 Goudey 8/25 = 32.0%
1938 Goudey 18/48 = 37.5%

Brian

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Definitely the makers of E98 intended this card to be identified as Cy Young, due to the Cleveland team designation, a team Irv never played for. Unfortunately they chose Irv's image, either in error, or because they were rat bastards.

A similar but different case is the E93 of Collins. I believe Standard Caramel intended the card to be identified as Jimmy Collins, as the photo used was of Jimmy. Because both Eddie and Jimmy Collins were on the 1908 Philadelphia A's team, I believe in later years when this set was being catalogued an error was made in identifying it as Eddie, the player who had the better career and was undoubtedly more well known at that time.

Brian

I believe the E98 Eddie Collins image is also Jimmy Collins.

[Bridwell]

Good point, it looks nothing like Eddie Collins!

[sb1]

T204's 15 HOFers out of 121 cards. 12 1/2%