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Old 06-10-2019, 11:33 AM
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I left a message on the PSA forum that was immediately deleted. PWCC is currently selling a PSA 10 1972 Pro Star Tim Foli card. This card was originally sold by Four Sharp Corners and had obvious bubbling defects which put a 10 grade into serious question. The card sat for a couple of years. Now the card comes back better than ever in the PWCC auction. There is no question that either the card was switched or the bubbling was altered.
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Old 06-10-2019, 11:38 AM
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Possibly just hidden by the scan. If it's the same cert number the holder hasn't been opened, no?
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Old 06-10-2019, 11:45 AM
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The card is not even placed in the holder the same way if you look at the top.

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Old 06-10-2019, 11:47 AM
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If it's the same cert, it hasn't been opened, nobody is going to crack out a 10 to make a nicer 10.
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Old 06-10-2019, 11:48 AM
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The card is not even placed in the holder the same way if you look at the top.
Cards move around in holders.
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Old 06-10-2019, 11:50 AM
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Years ago there loads of posts about PWCC doctoring scans. Perhaps a scan issue?

I can't see how the cert would be the same and the card is in the newer holder too.

Very odd.
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Old 06-10-2019, 11:54 AM
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Years ago there loads of posts about PWCC doctoring scans. Perhaps a scan issue?

I can't see how the cert would be the same and the card is in the newer holder too.

Very odd.
It's the scan. Sometimes stuff doesn't show up depending on the settings. Old Judge showed a Goudey Ruth where the wrinkles were obscured. Not necessarily intentional.
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Old 06-10-2019, 01:48 PM
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This is the saddest claim so far. It's the same holder.


Maybe it was gremlins in the scanner. I told you not to feed it after midnight.
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Old 06-10-2019, 02:01 PM
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I believe they are 2 different certs.
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:00 PM
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It's also entirely possible that a photo editor was used. On Windows 10 you can click on a JPG photo and a photo editing program will come up and there is a Spot Fix feature that will eliminate those blemishes. I can't say if that was the case in this situation.
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Here's an edited image:
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:32 PM
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They bought a PSA 10 to alter it to a PSA 11. It ain't rocket science folks.
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Thatís it Iím winning the card. It might get pricy
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I believe they are 2 different certs.
With the same cert #?
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Old 06-10-2019, 05:06 PM
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Look at the 2 PSA certs. They are not the same. I see they have the same number, but are different certs.
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Are you talking about the difference in the color of the hologram?
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Look at the 2 PSA certs. They are not the same. I see they have the same number, but are different certs.
I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say here.
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This could be an example of a player who is worth less than his card.

No wonder the suicide rate is increasing.
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This could be an example of a player who is worth less than his card.

No wonder the suicide rate is increasing.
Poor Tim has a family you know......what if they read such shenanigans! True though! LOL

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You can even see spots on the edges of the holder that indicate the card is in the exact same case. And as has been mentioned the identical cert numbers. You guys are really reaching to keep this scandal going.
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You can even see spots on the edges of the holder that indicate the card is in the exact same case. And as has been mentioned the identical cert numbers. You guys are really reaching to keep this scandal going.
mostly people with time on their hands, and little vested interest in the high end cards, or cards from PWCC! It affects the whole hobby, I get it, but seriously...
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:29 AM
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The scandal is going to keep going, but I have no clue what this card has to do with it. One of the stranger threads I have seen.
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:40 AM
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Thanks for clarifying. I though it was just me
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Peter:

Once a deluge on the internet begins, nothing stops new things from being added. Even if they are not always correct factually. That's why I always stress, to the aggravation of some to always be careful with ANY post. You don't want to open yourself up to being sued.

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