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Old 09-12-2018, 09:00 AM
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Hi All,
For several years, I've been trying to identify some of the more obscure baseball woodcuts related to our national pastime. We're all aware of Harper's and Leslie's but there are a number of publications that had very short runs such as the 1877 NY Sporting Gazette (very limited online info re this publication). The below auction was particularly interesting because of the possible link back to Henry Chadwick as well as the woodcuts themselves. I've identified the sources for a number of the visible woodcuts with the exception of two.

http://www.oldjudge.com/archive/2010...eadliners/5/#a

Any information on the following items or other woodcuts in this collection (ie if the current owner is a board member or someone has a more detailed write-up), please let me know. My interest is in simply identifying some of the more obscure publications and I hope to eventually do a write-up.

1883 Philadelphia Athletics from Leslie's Illustrated
I have an archived photo of this exact image (second one) which I believe shows a date of October 6, 1883. I'm either misreading the date or it is somehow a different edition or perhaps a supplemental issue of this wooduct. Here's what on page 108 of the October 6, 1883 Leslie's Illustrated (link).

1877 Chicago White Stockings
I think this particular image (third one) is derived from this lithograph however the old judge auction clearly shows black/white image and it would not surprise me if that came from an actually publication or supplement to one.
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George- Where did the 1877 Chicago lithograph come from? I've never seen it. I have this somewhat similar steel engraving.
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Old 09-12-2018, 10:09 AM
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Gary,
That third image in my original post is directly from the oldjudge.com auction. The similar chromolithograph is from the capanson.com website although I have no idea as to who produced it. I think the non-color version is likely a woodcut from an actual publication vs stand-alone based on the toning and dimensions although I'm not 100% certain since I don't have it in hand : )
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I agree. It does looks like it is printed on newspaper.
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One of my favorites is this 1890 Players League.
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George, I have a copy of the baseball pages from the Du Mouchelle catalogue and could not find the listing for the woodcuts. It is possible they appeared in a different section, I no longer have the full catalogue. However, I do believe the Chadwick reference since so many of the items clearly had once belonged to Chadwick.
I have attached photos of an 1876 Peck and Snyder advertiser with numerous woodcuts, or at least I believe they are. I particularly like the George Wright, based upon his Warren cdv,(see his own copy) and, of course, the 1869 Cincinnati team, which is from the Clipper, I think. If you would like to see an 1873 Peck and Snyder catalogue to see if there are any woodcuts, let me know. Do you think the color illustrations are colored woodcuts?
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Bruce- I auctioned off that scrapbook in my March 7, 2002 auction, lot #3. I do believe it originated from DuMouchelles, but there were many things that were sold privately before the auction, so it is possible this was one of them. The book was truly amazing, wish I could remember everything it contained. But I do clearly remember seeing woodcuts that I had never seen before, and not a single time since.
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I thought you would know, Barry. I have only seen a few items come up for auction in recent years that I could say definitely came from that auction.
I always thought a number of things, especially lesser books etc were sold before the auction. It would be fun for someone to do a little history of that auction.
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The odd thing about the DuMouchelles Auction was how bad a fit it was for that collection. I still get their flyers, and they sell mostly antique furniture, paintings, bric-a-brac, etc. When they were consigned this collection it was clear they had no expert on staff who knew anything about it. I think it was given to them because the family lived nearby. No book had any reliable descriptions; $5000 books were estimated at $100, and $100 books had estimates in the thousands; and most comically, the cover was adorned with a blatantly fake T206 Wagner. It was a mess, but the bidders knew very well what was there. It was a once-in-a-lifetime baseball library, and unfortunately when the owner died he did not leave specific instructions to his family how to best liquidate it.
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Thanks guys for looking into it. It's too bad that we don't have additional images from that auction or digitized format of some of the more obscure woodcuts in that Chadwick collection.

If anyone has leads on additional photos from that auction or knows the owner, please let me know. From the description, there are quite a few that are known prints while others are undocumented.

Bruce, you likely already know this but your 1869 Red Stockings front page woodcut came from the October 2, 1869 NY Clipper. I've seen a handful of instances of the same woodcuts being used in other publications either in the same year or years later. Below is one example that I own. It's the 1860 Brooklyn Excelsiors and is the identical one from what we believe to be the Chadwick collection. This print was depicted on September 4, 1875 in the NY Clipper however it was also used for this much more obscure publication called the NY Sporting Gazette in 1877.

As for your question on the Red Stockings publication, the colored plates appear to be woodcuts that either had some color applied during the printing process (there are people on this forum who could provide details) or they were hand colored after the fact. The latter is less likely as it's much more time consuming. If you see a Leslie's or Harper's woodcut that is colored, it's 100% done after the fact as it was not part of the original printing process. I believe there were several publications who were using chromolithography processes from early on and that's also evident in some of the color plates that you see on some of the 19th century baseball books.
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