First time I’ve been ripped off

[packs]

If it's only a $40 baseball and you owe him $600, why are you demanding the ball back first?

[Mdmtx]

Kevin,
I don't know you, and I feel fortunate I don't. You misrepresented an item. If proven to be intentional, that could be construed as fraud. Your unwillingness to make this an easy transaction is also confounding. So you need the 30 dollar ball back before you refund the $600 you charged? That seems a little ridiculous. Refund him $570 now and hold back $30 until you get your ball back. Your complaint of 4 months time passing is weak as well. Aren't you lucky it took him 4 months to figure out he had purchased something that was misrepresented, you got an interest free loan for 4 months. I think if you reread this thread you will do the right thing, cause the thread is anything but flattering for your image.


Mark Medlin

[jb217676]

Wow, some seriously bad mojo here. What a way to alienate potential customers, many of whom call this site home.
Jeff Betts

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I highly doubt it will have any affect on bidding. It has been proven over and over that people will buy cards from complete scum (insert Probstein's name here). If Bill Mastro had a cheap PSA graded T206 HOFer for sale people would line up to buy/bid on it.

Yup. Sad. True, but sad.

[khkco4bls]

So I gotta sit here and listen to you vindictive people constantly. I told you I would refund his money what is the problem here. I have never had a problem dealing with anybody on here selling items he's gonna get his money but this is why people run from this site cuz they just can't stand all you people that live in such a perfect world. Time to move on people

[Mdmtx]

So the guy that ultimately had to go to the court of public opinion and the subjects of that court are vindictive? Wow. That's rich.

[Laxcat]

Every time this thread pops up, this is what I picture in my mind.

[khkco4bls]

You know Leon I used to really like coming on this site I've done a lot of deals in the BST with guys always loved reading the posts but I'm done, remove me. I'm finished here...

[7nohitter]

Originally Posted by khkco4bls

I'm finished here...

Well said.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by jb217676

Wow, some seriously bad mojo here. What a way to alienate potential customers, many of whom call this site home.
Jeff Betts

Guys he said he's liquidating his collection. Basically he doesn't care about repercussions because he's never making another deal. That's also why booting him (at his request) is also meaningless.

[Bpm0014]

I'm done, remove me. I'm finished here...

Good riddance. We don't need your kind here and the board will be a safer place. You could have made this "right" 158 posts ago by apologizing, giving your address, and a clear timeframe of when the refund would be there. But YOU chose to make this difficult...

[Tigerden]

Based on Kevin's last post looks like Jonathan is not getting his refund. Agreed, no repercussions for Kevin as he admits he is liquidating his collection. Kevin appears to have had zero desire giving a dime of the money back all along. One hurdle after another for Jonathan as the goalposts keeps being moved. Kevin found a new collector and sold him the stuff REA would not take. I just hope Jonathan learned from this experience and knows Kevin is the exception rather than the rule on this site. Hopefully you will continue to collect not be discouraged and recognize this is a great forum and a great source for knowledge about this hobby.

Adam Blaney

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by khkco4bls

So I gotta sit here and listen to you vindictive people constantly. I told you I would refund his money what is the problem here. I have never had a problem dealing with anybody on here selling items he's gonna get his money but this is why people run from this site cuz they just can't stand all you people that live in such a perfect world. Time to move on people

Why didn't you offer to let him return the ball for a refund before this thread started? It sounds like he emailed you explaining that the ball you sold was not from the era you said it was. Allowing the return would have been the right thing to do, and would have saved you from all of these "vindictive" people who hopefully won't be buying anything from you in the future. I know i won't be.

[Tigerden]

REA is only a hop skip and a jump from Long Island. Kevin can drop off his consignments and hit NYC on the way back maybe hock some fake Rolex's to a few tourists along the way. Geez. I'd like to know how much he paid from Bob McCann auction for the ball! My guess is even if Bob had dated it wrong it probably sold for a fraction of $600. I don't even think this ball had the box probably sold for around $200 at most. Bottom line REA didn't want the ball and Kev found a live one and reeled him in. Sad.

Adam Blaney

[Tigerden]

One of the things I noticed in BST with a few items Kevin listed was he didn't have prices. I get annoyed when people post and say make me an offer. How about, your the seller what do you want for it? At least list a price and OBO even if the price is inflated. When people put make me an offer its as if they are hoping that someone is dumb enough to offer insane money and would gladly take it even if they know they are ripping them off.

Adam Blaney

[khkco4bls]

Here's the thing you guys don't know me and yes he will get his money back so stop putting words in my mouth.it's amazing how perfect all you people are on this site it makes me sick. Did you not read the post above that he will get his money back when I get my item back I think that's only fair regardless of what you think it's worth. And what does this have to do with the BST and just asking for offers people do it all the time these are just things I'm trying to move along to other collectors because I'm moving and don't have the room for it all what is the problem here

[khkco4bls]

I have always been fair to every guy on the other side selling items so one bad thing happens and you people just have everybody up all the time this is the one thing I cannot stand about this site

[Mdmtx]

Then send him his money. You've said it, but you've not done it. Words are cheap. I'm guessing you don't have the money which is why you have made it so difficult. It's not hard. Here is the address for PayPal if you can't find it PayPal.com.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by khkco4bls

If I'm such an amateur picker just check out REA in October to see my 220 plus items going up for auction and you'll see I am far from being an amateur picker. So greg what makes u such a professional

If you have that many items for sale then you shouldn't have much of an issue paying him back now should you.

Better yet if you have that many items for sale I would think $600 is chump change for you.

[CxG Seven Dust]

Originally Posted by khkco4bls

I have always been fair to every guy on the other side selling items so one bad thing happens and you people just have everybody up all the time this is the one thing I cannot stand about this site

Why do you use run-on sentences?

Oh my bad, that's just me pretending to be "perfect".

Dude, grow up! I'm sure you're not a child, but you sure the hell are acting like one.


David

[gemmint77]

Keeping track of names so I don't get screwed!!

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by khkco4bls

Here's the thing you guys don't know me and yes he will get his money back so stop putting words in my mouth.it's amazing how perfect all you people are on this site it makes me sick. Did you not read the post above that he will get his money back when I get my item back I think that's only fair regardless of what you think it's worth. And what does this have to do with the BST and just asking for offers people do it all the time these are just things I'm trying to move along to other collectors because I'm moving and don't have the room for it all what is the problem here

Have you given him your address? Seems pretty hard to receive an item back when it sounds like from Jonathan's post you ignore his request to get your address.


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[khkco4bls]

I sent it to him twice

[Gradedcardman]

Originally Posted by khkco4bls

I sent it to him twice

No return no refund. Not too much to ask.

[packs]

Hypothetically speaking, if I sold you a T206 reprint for $600 and then told you I'd only refund you once I had my reprint back, wouldn't that be kinda weird?

[khkco4bls]

Originally Posted by packs

Hypothetically speaking, if I sold you a T206 reprint for $600 and then told you I'd only refund you once I had my reprint back, wouldn't that be kinda weird?

Point taken I've already returned his money

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by packs

Hypothetically speaking, if I sold you a T206 reprint for $600 and then told you I'd only refund you once I had my reprint back, wouldn't that be kinda weird?

No, I would understand you wanted to verify that it was, indeed the same card I sent and that it was, in fact, a reprint.

Let me ask you, if you want a $600 refund and all you have to do is send back a near worthless reprint to satisfy the seller, why not do it?

Take hi-resolution scans of it, keep and document everything about the transaction, and send the card back to the seller so he can see exactly what you're talking about. It costs/risks you nothing.

[earlywynnfan]

I, like many here, have formed the opinion that I will never do business with Kevin thanks to this thread.

However, I don't think it's too much to ask to have the item back in hand before issuing a refund.

[packs]

I guess where my thinking is going is that sending it back to someone who does business in a way you don't agree with opens up the floodgates as to whether their item was "damaged" or something else, which would then lead to endless e-mails about price adjustments, etc.

[jonvancouver]

Kevin has refunded the money and I'll be shipping the ball out today.

[ruth-gehrig]

great to hear

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

[vintagebb2014]

+1

[TheNightmanCometh]

Can we ban Kevin now?

[vintagetoppsguy]

I didn't want to post this until Jonathan received his refund, but PayPal WOULD NOT have refunded his money. This was a combined purchase payment and PayPal does not make seller's issue partial refunds. PayPal can make the seller refund the entire purchase if the entire purchase is returned by the buyer (which in this case wasn't possible), but sellers do not have to give partial refunds. I'm glad this worked out for Jonathan.

[KingFisk]

Our long national nightmare is over.

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[GeorgeBailey2]

Originally Posted by KingFisk

Our long national nightmare is over.

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Not bad. Not bad. I do like the empty tub of popcorn better. If only Scarlett's "Popcorn girl" gif had been posted.

[Gradedcardman]

Originally Posted by packs

Hypothetically speaking, if I sold you a T206 reprint for $600 and then told you I'd only refund you once I had my reprint back, wouldn't that be kinda weird?

No, Went through that via ebay and paypal. Sent back and then received the refund. That is the way the system is set up and regardless of your thought process that is the way it happens.

[batsballsbases]

Bailey which Bailey? This is Mr. George Bailey. Love the movie. Sorry couldnt resist! This is about all the thread warrants.......

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by GeorgeBailey2

Not bad. Not bad. I do like the empty tub of popcorn better. If only Scarlett's "Popcorn girl" gif had been posted.

Sorry, I started off with Jon Stewart's popcorn gif, needed closure.

[charrigan]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I didn't want to post this until Jonathan received his refund, but PayPal WOULD NOT have refunded his money. This was a combined purchase payment and PayPal does not make seller's issue partial refunds. PayPal can make the seller refund the entire purchase if the entire purchase is returned by the buyer (which in this case wasn't possible), but sellers do not have to give partial refunds. I'm glad this worked out for Jonathan.

His credit card surely would have sided with him. That's why it's good to have multiple means of protection.

I'm certainly for the general policy of "return before refund", but in this case the buyer would have been well within his rights to get his money back in whatever way was quickest and most convenient.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by Mdmtx

Kevin,
I don't know you, and I feel fortunate I don't. You misrepresented an item. If proven to be intentional, that could be construed as fraud. Your unwillingness to make this an easy transaction is also confounding. So you need the 30 dollar ball back before you refund the $600 you charged? That seems a little ridiculous. Refund him $570 now and hold back $30 until you get your ball back. Your complaint of 4 months time passing is weak as well. Aren't you lucky it took him 4 months to figure out he had purchased something that was misrepresented, you got an interest free loan for 4 months. I think if you reread this thread you will do the right thing, cause the thread is anything but flattering for your image.


Mark Medlin

Well said

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Tigerden

One of the things I noticed in BST with a few items Kevin listed was he didn't have prices. I get annoyed when people post and say make me an offer. How about, your the seller what do you want for it? At least list a price and OBO even if the price is inflated. When people put make me an offer its as if they are hoping that someone is dumb enough to offer insane money and would gladly take it even if they know they are ripping them off.

Adam Blaney

preaching to the choir....preaching to my choir at least...

[bmattioli]

Wow..This is such a dirty hobby.. Isn't it a pity..

[mattjc1983]

Although I'm glad that the buyer ultimately got his refund, is anyone else kind of disappointed this thread is over...it's like, what do I do with this extra hour I just found?


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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by BruceM

Wow..This is such a dirty hobby.. Isn't it a pity..

The hobby isn't dirty, but some of the players definitely file their spikes.