Altered high grade E93s in Mile High?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Let's make one thing perfectly clear: 99+ % of the people who use the services of someone like Mr. Towle do so for one reason and one reason only- to resubmit the card to TPG in order to get a higher than merited grade. And this in turn makes them lots of money. Which leads me to what I always say about TPG's- that they mint money. It's like having a printing press and making hundred dollar bills with it. TPG's have too much power, period.

Second, it is in the interests of all businesses to have satisfied customers. And one way to do that is to make sure customers are happy with the grades they are getting. As a result, there is a distressing number of high grade cards in holders that have been altered, cleaned, or processed in some way. This is a very bad sign for the future of the hobby.

+1, agree with Barry. I have always been confused about "soaking cards". Doesnt that compromise the structure of the card? To me, it would take huge balls to do this in the first place...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

+1, agree with Barry. I have always been confused about "soaking cards". Doesnt that compromise the structure of the card? To me, it would take huge balls to do this in the first place...

I will defer to Steve B. here, but certainly I had thought there was close to a consensus that just soaking in water doesn't compromise the card in any meaningful way.

[CMIZ5290]

Thanks Peter, this is just a very confusing task to understand. If you have a high profile T206 graded psa 5 with some stains, what exactly is the process? thanks...Kevin

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Thanks Peter, this is just a very confusing task to understand. If you have a high profile T206 graded psa 5 with some stains, what exactly is the process? thanks...Kevin

Search me. Maybe Dick can help you.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Search me. Maybe Dick can help you.

I did not mean that Peter, I was simply asking what the process was for someone doing this....This is all new to me, even with 25 years in the hobby....I simply don't know...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I did not mean that Peter, I was simply asking what the process was for someone doing this....This is all new to me, even with 25 years in the hobby....I simply don't know...

Kevin I was just being sarcastic. I really don't know how it's done, but there are a lot of soakers on the Board who likely can explain.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Thanks Peter, this is just a very confusing task to understand. If you have a high profile T206 graded psa 5 with some stains, what exactly is the process? thanks...Kevin

I highly doubt any card doctor will come on here and give you directions on how exactly to alter your card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I highly doubt any card doctor will come on here and give you directions on how exactly to alter your card.

One just came on the board today and defended the integrity of his family business, so ya never know. But seriously I think a lot of guys soak and feel it's OK so they might well explain how they go about it.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One just came on the board today and defended the integrity of his family business, so ya never know. But seriously I think a lot of guys soak and feel it's OK so they might well explain how they go about it.

There are several threads already that explain in detail how to soak a card. I doubt DT is going to be giving away his family secrets on altering cards any time soon.

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I will defer to Steve B. here, but certainly I had thought there was close to a consensus that just soaking in water doesn't compromise the card in any meaningful way.

Of course it alters the integrity of the card stock. That's why all recommendations for soaking include pressing the soaked cards under a huge stack of books as part of the process. This removes the warping and wrinkles.... which sounds like "altering" under some people definition

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Of course it alters the integrity of the card stock. That's why all recommendations for soaking include pressing the soaked cards under a huge stack of books as part of the process. This removes the warping and wrinkles.... which sounds like "altering" under some people definition

Yea....this takes bigger balls than I have...

[1880nonsports]

without accepting the practice of soaking them in water (what I'm comfortable with in terms of application and what I believe the majority accepts at least up to this point) likely more than 75% of the cards in the marketplace would have to be entombed adhered to tobacco album pages (and scrapbooks) and would result in a defacto inability to see anything on their backs. The percentage obviously smaller in most T sets but that's a lot of cards!