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Old 12-06-2018, 07:49 PM
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Would anybody in favor of his inclusion in the Hall of Fame be considered insane?
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Would anybody in favor of his inclusion in the Hall of Fame be considered insane?
Actually, I think that is the gold standard test.
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Sounds like a nice guy and a good coach, but not even close to a HOFer.
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Doesn't look like a HOFer to me.
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What about Allie Reynolds. Sain’s teammate for a stretch with Yankees.

Sain was above average as a pitcher but not great.

Though I like the thought that Sain was a great pitching coach, I think it’s unlikely he would be inducted as a pitching coach.

Allie Reynolds should be next up if any additional pitcher from that golden era (my favorite era) gets in. Allie was a winner and did anything needed to win championships.

Reynolds started and relieved in the same seasons and was one of the best in the league as a starter and a reliever within the same year, and the same World Series several times.

Sain was very good. Allie was great. Super chief!

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There has been occasional talk of Leo Mazzone going in as a pitching coach.
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Default McLain and Sain…..Perfect together.....Should Johnny Sain be in the Hall of Fame ?

Hey you "nay-sayers".....how much do you really know about Johnny Sain's career in Baseball ? ?

I saw him Pitch (1947-1955) and I followed his Coaching career (1961-1975)…. and unless you did too, you're not knowledgeable enough to form an opinion.

Anyhow, check-out these successes......

Whitey Ford was 25-4 (1961) and 24-7 (1963) with Sain as his new coach. Prior to those years, Whitey had not won 20 games.

Jim Bouton in his 2nd year with the Yankees was 21-7, which he credited Johnny Sain for his success.

Jim Katt won 25 games for the 1966 Minnesota Twins. Won 21 (1974) and 20 (1975) with the White Sox. Sain was his pitching coach on both these teams.

Goose Gossage racked up 20-33 Saves per season 10 times. In his autobiography he credits Johnny Sain (1972-1975) for his success on the mound.

And, there are many more successes that I can name. Anyhow, as I said in post #1 here, the most notable one is Denny McLain. It's a shame that Sain did
not stay with Detroit, for I think he would have kept McLain on the straight track.



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Look guys, there are Pitchers in the HOF that have considerably less numbers than JohnnySain….. Tom Lasorda for example.

But, of course he's in as a Manager. Then why not induct Sain into the HOF as one of the most effective pitching coaches in BB history ? ?



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Ted, I agree with you. Over 20 years ago, I began thinking about all the teams who hired Johnny Sain as their pitching coach. The man was remarkable, innovative, focused, and really knew what he was doing.

I also read why Mr. Sain was invariably released by each team, and it's a stinking shame each manager could not let their ego get in the way of allowing Johnny to do his job. There is so much involved to being a great manager; if a proven specialist comes on board to "manage" the pitchers, let the genius do his job, for crying out loud!!!!! Johnny Sain's pitchers loved him, and they blossomed. Again, the stuffy etc. etc. MLB Hall of Fame "drops the ball" in failing to recognize and enshrine a very deserving man from his rightful place of fame.

Take care, Ted, and Merry Christmas! --- Brian Powell

Hi Brian

I appreciate your input regarding Johnny Sain. It's good to see that some one else on this forum does his homework.

Brian....wishing you a very Merry Christmas


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Yes.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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