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Old 12-04-2018, 06:28 PM
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Default Additional T206's the forger purchased

So far the only pre-war or vintage card purchases I've found are T206's and the majority of them are previously confirmed signed subjects.

I'm posting scans so people can check their collections and also keep an eye out for any fakes that might come up for sale.

I will add any new ones that I find in this thread.

The date of purchase is listed with each card. None of these have been confirmed with fake signatures yet.

Barbeau 8-22-15
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Bridwell 2-25-15
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Carrigan 2-25-15
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Crawford 2-22-15
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Doyle 4-23-17
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Meyers Portrait 3-15-15
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Myers Batting 2-26-15
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Parent 1-11-15
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Sullivan 11-21-16
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Warhop 4-11-17
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:29 PM
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:35 PM
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I've been searching for Crawfords for 2 days now. I just know he did a Crawford. How could you forge over a dozen T206 cards and not do a Wahoo? He signed a ton TTM. It's an obvious choice.

Another possibility is that these were either rejected by the TPAs or the forger screwed them up and never submitted them.

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Old 12-04-2018, 06:39 PM
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Let me also mention that this guy likes buying unsigned vintage baseballs in original boxes (I wonder why...)

I found these. Have these come up for auction recently signed? BOLO for these RPB-3 Haiti balls with big ticket sigs: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...lls-1737781130.

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Old 12-04-2018, 07:10 PM
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This one as well.

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Old 12-04-2018, 07:16 PM
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Really surprised he would use cards that have backs with such severe identifiable damage. Wouldn't that make it easier for someone to do even the simplest of research and determine that exact card existed just a bit ago without a signature. Doesn't make much sense to me when so many other non-descript cards of the same subject are readily available.
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The Parent may just need a good soaking, but the others may be practice. Only 2 others with back damage.

My concern is some of these have already came out as signatures that were forged, like the Parent. How many cards are now lost to the machine of forgery or “practice”??


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What a busy little bee...so much more profitable than printing fake $100 bills....and so much easier to pass on to others...
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Its ridiculous that even a tpg wouldn't glance through the closed sales
They all deserve at least one dope slap off the head
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I know, right? I posted the other day in the main thread that I was astonished how little effort goes into actually authenticating or documenting what goes through their hands. The information they have not kept alone would be worth millions.


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I think (am not positive) JSA will take pictures of potential high dollar items that do not pass authentication. I wonder if they have a large data base of these rejections.
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I know Mike Root takes pictures of inauthentic autographs that he doesn't have on file.
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The fact that he was planning to attempt to forge a Jack Warhop is crazy, he is a rare signature and from what I am aware, only signed a a handful of items through the mail after his career was over.
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The fact that he was planning to attempt to forge a Jack Warhop is crazy, he is a rare signature and from what I am aware, only signed a a handful of items through the mail after his career was over.
To me the "crazy" ones are Ganzel, Sullivan, Conroy, Tannehill, Rhoades, and Murray. There is no evidence that any of these players ever signed a T206 card -- or any other pre-war card for that matter.

I have seen two signed T206 Warhops. One of them from Jeff Morey's collection:

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Which was sold in Lot 97 of Mike Gutierrez's May 18, 2001 auction:

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And one of them was sold among a group of 8 in Hunt's Live Louisville Slugger Auction in November 2007 (Lot No. 630):

Hunt Auctions Lot 630 8 Signed T206 Cards November 2017

https://www.huntauctions.com/live/im...=630&lot_qual=

That's where I got mine from:

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MANY of the autographed T206's in the black and white photo look suspect... Yes? No?
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MANY of the autographed T206's in the black and white photo look suspect... Yes? No?
It's very hard to tell from these images. So few of the color images of the cards represented in Morey's 2001 photo copies, which were scanned and sent to me in 2007, have surfaced since they were sold in 2001 and 2002. Here are a few side-by-sides of a few that did:

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A T207 and the first non T206 pre-war purchase.

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If u guys are right about the T206s that were forged and its obvious you are, it's not surprising he selected Warhol since he is already practised in forging his name. Was that T207 just purchased?

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If lot 92 above is a T206, it is a rarer card than a Ty Cobb back.
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Was that T207 just purchased?
It was purchased in April 2017
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If lot 92 above is a T206, it is a rarer card than a Ty Cobb back.
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