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Old 11-27-2018, 02:36 PM
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As someone who has a significant investment (emotional and financial) in maintaining the integrity of authentic signed T206 cards, I wanted to collect all of the information about the recently identified signed Marquard forgery in one place, in a helpful chronology. I want it all to be at the top of the posting so that updates on the status of identifying the forger, if any, can be included in one post and at the top of a thread.

If you have additional information, please send it to me, or post it below, and I will add it to the chronology.

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August 31, 2017
Authentic signed Marquard Hands at Sides sold in Sig Auctions to a member of the Net54 Community (id: theshleps):

Marquard_CopiedFrom

http://auction.sigauctions.com/rube_...-lot62562.aspx

February 7, 2018
Unsigned Marquard Hands at Sides sold on eBay (item #362228869527) by seller "teri781":

rubeunsigned1

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ube-1913448029

https://www.ebay.com/usr/teri781?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

The seller left positive feedback ("THANK YOU") to the buyer, who has feedback between 10,000-24,999:

ebayMarqUnsignedBuyer


Spring/Summer 2018
Forger copies the authentic Marquard using a technique that lines the signatures up identically.

SpotOnCopydetails

UnsignedThenSignedMarquard


August 16, 2018

A "very reliable source" confirms that the autograph was authenticated by James Spence himself at the CleanSweep Auctions office. The photograph for the LOA was taken on that date; and on August 22, the item was authenticated and given the certification number #z86117:

ForgedMarquardJSA


October 11, 2018
Newly signed Marquard Hands at Sides sold in Clean Sweep Auctions, with full JSA LOA:

CSMarqFake

https://www.cleansweepauctions.com/i...tem=0000616093

Net54 member Clifford Franklin (Net54 id: Marslife) purchases the card and submits it for encapsulation at SGC.


November 13, 2018

SGC rejects the Marquard as "not a genuine example."

ForgedMarquardSGC

November 25, 2018

MarsLife seeks guidance from the Net54 community, wondering whether he purchased a fake Marquard signed T206:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=262580

Manny (Net54 id: SetBuilder) cracks the code (and answers the OP's question in the affirmative), and other members of the Net54 community begin to add additional pieces to the puzzle.

Again, if you have additional information, please send it to me, or post it below, and I will add it to the chronology. There are too many witnesses to these events for additional information not to become available over time. As it does, I will compile it here.
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Old 11-27-2018, 03:01 PM
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So when I try to contact Teri781 through eBay about item number 362228869475 I get an error message, but when I try to contact Teri781 about any of the other items on this sheet I can see the item and ask a question. What is going on here - am I misreading the id?

https://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...o=362228869527

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Old 11-27-2018, 03:11 PM
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Manny also uncovered an apparent T206 Parent forgery:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=262673
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Old 11-27-2018, 03:20 PM
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Did you talk to Steve Verkman to find out where he got the card?
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Old 11-27-2018, 03:44 PM
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Add some more t206 forgeries to the list: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=262673
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I know you're focusing on the T206s and Leon said his source said they were not submitted by the same person as the T206.. But as pointed out by some, very strange that there was 8 Ted Williams signed cards authenticated right after the Rube M.

I made a thread on the autograph page just showing each Williams off.

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The VCP record of that sale has a few different letters than what's in the screenshot above. Not sure if this helps.
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Old 11-27-2018, 04:38 PM
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Amazing work uncovering this. Makes me glad I just sold my entire collection of vintage signed baseball cards. I had been growing suspicious of the number of tough signed 33 Goudeys that were popping up more frequently. I have seen several in PSA, Beckett, and SGC slabs that I do not believe to be real, but I never took the extra step or looking at past auction sales of the unsigned cards. I expect if you keep digging this problem will be much deeper. Keep up the good work.

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So when I try to contact Teri781 through eBay about item number 362228869475 I get an error message, but when I try to contact Teri781 about any of the other items on this sheet I can see the item and ask a question. What is going on here - am I misreading the id?

https://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...o=362228869527

ebayMarqUnsignedBuyer
I think because the listing has fallen off eBay's radar... usually 90 days... Watchpoint.com didn't have it either...
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Ebay removes your ability to click on and or search for older sales. However, if you have the exact link from when the sale was made, you can still see the page -- though it is without the pictures. This works back to at least early 2016, though at some point they may fully take pages down rather than just removing the index to them, I don't know because I don't have anything older.

Just a heads up for anyone who likes to over do it on the record keeping. (I quit saving links in favor of screenshots when I realized the pictures disappeared.)



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I think because the listing has fallen off eBay's radar... usually 90 days... Watchpoint.com didn't have it either...
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