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Old 09-08-2018, 09:15 PM
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Default SGC is, with their new labels, balancing valuation with PSA. HARSH. Watch Video...

Man, these cards are all on the harsh side.

The Hack Wilson especially, was sold as a raw EX-MT by Probstein:

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-Goudey...rdt=true&rt=nc)

, and I still can't disagree with them. An SGC 4.

Why is the Tris Speaker an A and not a 1? On the form I indicated "no", I don't want you to encapsulate an A card.. am I missing something?

1960 Topps McCovey I thought was a 6 all day. SGC 5.

The RObinson is the only one in the ballpark of what I expected.. this card was previously a BVG 5.5. SGC 5.

(Sorry for having the camera off-center for most of the video.):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0Hw...ature=youtu.be

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Old 09-08-2018, 09:27 PM
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There are some things that a magnifier will pick up which will show you why they are graded the way they are, would be my guess. Great looking cards.
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Old 09-08-2018, 09:41 PM
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Ok, that's all well and good, as I even joke about not having a magnifying glass on me. Even still, I honestly believe SGC is trying to rebrand and reposition themselves with the new flip and harsher grading.

But, can someone once and for all explain why the Speaker is an A and not a 1, when I said NOT to encapsulate an A card on their form?
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Old 09-08-2018, 09:41 PM
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Surface gloss is one of the factors in grading. So it's not just corners and centering, but the surface quality. Harder to gauge than most variables.
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Ok, that's all well and good, as I even joke about not having a magnifying glass on me. Even still, I honestly believe SGC is trying to rebrand and reposition themselves with the new flip and harsher grading.

But, can someone once and for all explain why the Speaker is an A and not a 1, when I said NOT to encapsulate an A card on their form?
Because they made a mistake?
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Old 09-08-2018, 10:02 PM
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Because they made a mistake?
Did they? Because I honestly was unsure about it. Does it mean they think the card is altered, or not necessarily? It has pinholes but I cant imagine it's been altered (attempt at improvement) to be honest.

I'm sure there is something I'm missing on these cards, but that being said, still harshly graded IMO.

I'll be curious to hear more opinions when people start getting back SGC cards in the near future.
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Old 09-08-2018, 10:38 PM
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I am almost ashamed to say it, but would a partial refund be a possibility/reasonable from Probstein on the Hack Wilson? They graded it EX-Mt, came back a 4.
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I am almost ashamed to say it, but would a partial refund be a possibility/reasonable from Probstein on the Hack Wilson? They graded it EX-Mt, came back a 4.
Woops double post.

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I am almost ashamed to say it, but would a partial refund be a possibility/reasonable from Probstein on the Hack Wilson? They graded it EX-Mt, came back a 4.
You thought it was a 6 so you obviously agreed with Probstein. And you paid a full 6 price. While I loathe Probstein, you expect him to guarantee what SGC will subjectively grade his cards?

Edited to add: if you were willing to pay a 6 price for a raw card, why not just buy an SGC 6? Wouldn't have cost you a penny more, you could have saved grading and postage fees and all that anxiety of waiting for your cards to be returned. Why take a chance of paying for the cost of a 6 when you believed the card was only destined for a 6 at best?

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I am almost ashamed to say it, but would a partial refund be a possibility/reasonable from Probstein on the Hack Wilson? They graded it EX-Mt, came back a 4.
Either send back for a full refund, or eat it. You're probably outside your return window anyways. And if you do return it because it didn't grade what you expected, please leave your eBay handle so people who want to can add it to their block lists.
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