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Old 09-10-2018, 11:55 AM
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it does appear the newer SGC grades are getting good results at auction (same as what PSA holders seem to be getting).


As far as pinholes A, 1, 1.5...i always thought as those cards all in the work of art category......the grade part doesnt really matter...many As go for more than 1.5s etc....its just how the card looks to you......it doesnt bother me at all if there are different grading criteria with 2 companies on the A-1.5 ...
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Old 09-10-2018, 03:12 PM
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K, spoke to Peter at SGC who spoke to the grader who remembered my T3 Speaker very clearly. He said in the pinholes there is a tiny bit of blue color/paint so this is treated as Altered. I surmise that this was paint transferred from wherever it was pinned up at some point. So no trimming or anything else which would have bothered me much more. Anyways, super happy with this card as I think it's one of the most attractive in the hobby!

As far as the Hack Wilson, he couldn't offer any info.

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From my experience, SGC is pretty good about answering questions. This card is also a 4 but looks better. The only real problem I saw was a tiny flake of surface off the top left corner. Less than the amount I've seen worn off corners on other 4s.



I asked at the Shriners show a few years ago why it was a 4. It took the guy at the booth very little time to find the tiny wrinkle about halfway up the left side. So small it doesn't quite reach the line around the picture.

The other couple grades I asked about were similar, some small hard to see thing I'd missed. Overall, the experience made me better at examining my cards before sending them.


"A" isn't always altered. Of the few cards I've had rejected, one had factory but very rough cuts top and bottom, another didn't make the minimum size.
With the amount of space between the card and gasket on the Speaker, I'd bet it's undersize. Undersize can be factory, but I don't think any grading company will grade stuff that's undersize with a number. I think that's mostly because most collectors associate undersize with trimmed, and don't understand the difference between a factory cut edge and a trimmed edge. Another of my mistakes was a card trimmed on all four sides, that was full size. I just plain missed the trimming while I was looking for which cards to send in.

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Old 09-10-2018, 05:02 PM
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Youíre acting outrageous man. You bought a raw card and it graded lower than expected. Disappointing but not really a big deal. As for the A vs 1, Iím surprised you donít know that any alteration, including pinholes, should get an A and not a numerical grade. I believe this is the policy for both psa and sgc. And going off on people who are calling you out on your nonsense is ridiculous.
I would argue if he had gotten it in hand and disagreed with the grade then yes a refund would be in order. But to get it in hand, like the card and submit it pretty much puts the onus on him, not Probstein.
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Old 09-12-2018, 12:47 PM
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Just got back another small batch of mostly nonsports. Once again, very consistent grading, but just brutal, in most cases a full grade lower than I expected. Perhaps SGC is trying to rebrand itself as a stricter grader, and if they succeed I suppose the market will take that into account when assessing cards in the new holders. Anyone remember the mythical PSA "grader of death"? I feel like I ran into him again haha. I think the flips look fine by the way. And again, they went the extra mile and graded cards that PSA had kicked back.
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Old 09-12-2018, 02:54 PM
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Just got back another small batch of mostly nonsports. Once again, very consistent grading, but just brutal, in most cases a full grade lower than I expected. Perhaps SGC is trying to rebrand itself as a stricter grader, and if they succeed I suppose the market will take that into account when assessing cards in the new holders. Anyone remember the mythical PSA "grader of death"? I feel like I ran into him again haha. I think the flips look fine by the way. And again, they went the extra mile and graded cards that PSA had kicked back.
Yup, my thoughts too.
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Old 09-12-2018, 05:19 PM
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Just got back another small batch of mostly nonsports. Once again, very consistent grading, but just brutal, in most cases a full grade lower than I expected. Perhaps SGC is trying to rebrand itself as a stricter grader, and if they succeed I suppose the market will take that into account when assessing cards in the new holders. Anyone remember the mythical PSA "grader of death"? I feel like I ran into him again haha. I think the flips look fine by the way. And again, they went the extra mile and graded cards that PSA had kicked back.
I suppose this could be good for SGC but not sure if being too tight helps those who are submitting. Probably easier to sell a card that is graded too harshly than one that is not but if both PSA and SGC are tightening up that does not leave people much of a place to turn.
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Old 09-12-2018, 07:42 PM
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Overall, it will shift the population distribution to the left. I'm curious how they will address reholdering.
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Old 09-12-2018, 08:42 PM
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I've always thought, since I joined the site back in 2016, that SGC graded cards more "tough" than PSA.

I am not sure how many do it, but I remember reading of one on here who purchases SGC cards then resubmits them to PSA looking for a higher grade.

The last one, IIRC, was successful where an SGC 5, for example, came back a 6 or higher from PSA. $$$
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